As a recent datamine , all helicopters equipped with FNF)missiles will be uniformly moved to 13.0.
In my personal opinion, this is unfair. If you have played more than ten top-tier matches in September and October, or if you have personally piloted these helicopters, you would easily notice that their kill efficiency varies significantly. The best performer is likely the Mi-28, followed by the AH-64E and the Z-10. These helicopters can counter infrared missiles and are equipped with FNF missiles that have a longer range. The remaining helicopters are equipped with Spike and PARS missiles with a range of only seven to eight kilometers, which are completely incomparable to the Production 305. The worst among them is probably the German Tiger UHT, mainly because it lacks a cannon and has a missile range of only seven kilometers. It also cannot counter infrared missiles.
If Gaijin truly intends to balance the game, they could have left the older helicopters unchanged and only moved the newer ones to higher tiers. Specifically, the Mi-28 should be placed at 13.0, while the AH-64E and Z-10 could be placed at 12.7. This one-size-fits-all approach raises doubts about whether the development team genuinely aims to balance them.
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All the latest FnF helis should be 13.0.
The older ones though, with only PARS or Spike. They should be 12.7 (im thinking 12.7 because there are a few 11.3 SPAAs like the Otomatic which should not be facing FnF Helis )
I agree that a 0.3 BR difference might not be enough to reflect the performance gap between these helicopters. However, if Gaijin were willing (though this seems unlikely), they could introduce new helicopters or missiles for the nations lagging behind, and then move all of them uniformly to 13.0.
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AH-64E, Mi-28NM, and Z-10ME makes sense. Those are the top dogs.
The rest are probably fine to be 13.0 as well, but I feel 0.3 lower would be justified.
Why should my Tiger which doesn’t have the same protection system has the MI28NM/Z10ME/AH64E, and subpar munition that I can only carry 8 of be the same BR as those 3 lol.
the UHT lmao how
Yea because AH64E with AGM179 being the same br as swedish AHS (AH64A) is fair
The UHT has no business being 13.0, wtf. Who in their right minds thinks the Mi-28 and AH-64 are in any way equal to the UHT? The technology and stand-off gap between them is massive. Some of the older FnF helos should at the very least be 0.3 or 0.7 BR below at max.
That was my point, yes.
terrible, , ,in fact , incomparable to MI28nm specifically.
I give up… As a player of German helicopters, you just get screwed over.
First, the Tiger was simply copied into the French tech tree (even though they never had that variant in service nor planned to use it that way) — and there it received a better AA missile.
Then you get to watch as three new helicopters are added to the game (which, in itself, is cool), but they completely outclass the Tiger in every possible way — it’s like a technological leap from World War II to the postwar era.
What’s not cool: they’re all rated at the same BR. That’s like putting a Tiger II at the same BR as a Panzer IV.
Now, the developers had the chance to adjust the BR ratings according to the helicopters’ actual capabilities — and what was their decision?
Everything’s fine as it is! Obviously, helicopters that the Tiger can’t even attack (well, you could ram them, I guess), with missiles that have more than double the range, near immunity to SAMs, and vastly superior AA capabilities, all belong at the same BR.
Most helicopters are already terrible at top tier compared to aircraft of the same BR, so this change really shouldn’t be done at all. It’s obvious how ineffective they are from the statistics. Gaijin favors the Mi-28NM, and other helicopters are much less powerful.
If helis are moved up in BR, then Gaijin should never nerf LDIRCM unless they immediately follow it up with a massive lowering of the relevant helicopter BRs. For the BRs assuming no nerf, Mi-28NM can go to 13.0, but AH-64E and Z-10ME shouldn’t go higher than 12.7, if they even need to be moved up. The other FnF helis shouldn’t even be moved up at all. If the leak here is true, most helicopters at top tier will be completely useless. They are already weak to aircraft, are smacked out of the air by IRCCM missiles with GNSS+datalink, and even current LDIRCM isn’t completely foolproof.
Worst of all is the CM502 of Z-10ME which neither has the penetration of AGM-179 or the sheer explosive power of LMUR, and can only achieve “hit” on MBTs most of the time.
It’s really a reality even crazier than I imagined…
No but you don’t understand, it can do a barrel roll and not crash, clearly 13.0 material, actually itnshould be 13.7 because of how OP the flight model is…
Gaijin are clueless on how to balance stuff omg 😒
Me in my UHT when the LMURs and JAGMs come flying
Did you also complain when the Tiger was the only heli with f&f and was the same br as other helis ?
Just wondering.
No, because the UHT had — and still has — PARS missiles that were barely capable of destroying any target with fewer than four rockets.
On top of that, it was (and is) absolutely helpless against jets (unless the jet pilot was so bad that they got shot down by a Stinger — whose performance is an absolute joke).
And to make things worse, it had to deal with Pantsirs in every match.
The Ka-52, Tiger HAD, or even the AH-60 were no worse in comparison.
And now comes the joke of the day: the better French Tiger HAC is rated at 12.3, while the German Tiger UHT is set at 13.0.
The snail hates Germany :-)
You’ll find very few ppl complaining about the UHT because even when it was the only heli with F+F, it was never an unmanageable threat and PARS was/is jank every other patch.