This is unplayable.
I would say something about people in Gaijin who decided not to make any changes about aircraft in arcade ground battles, but… that would be too rude. So only I can wish you all worst in your life. Just as you wish for us players by not removing those aircrafts.
This is unplayable, today what I am doing, only running away from bombs. Aircrafts and bombs everywhere, it is like airshow, not ground battle. There is no one minute in battle without aircrafts above us. Can’t concentrate to enemies on the ground.
IF you DON’T want to remove aircraft from GB, than at least decrease their number.
Or give us an option to pick do we want to participate in battles with or without aircrafts.
Yesterday one bomber killed 6 of us with one bomb.
Don’t need remove aircraft but Gaijin needs to do away with the cheap no skill kamikaze free kill and stop allowing enemy aircraft to spawn behind spawn locations. Some better SPAA would be welcomed as well.
From my experience, most who deny or don’t agree with any of the numerous post about AIR in GFAB, either:
Dont play BR’s where this is getting worse and worse (mostly around 8.7 and up);
They themselves use air to boost their performance;
the problem with AIR:
ineffective counters in GFAB:
Fighters, i’ve had numerous fly-outs where i was unable to catch the bomber. Even with full afterburners and slight dive;
SPAAG, either AIR can attack outside the range of SPAAG, or they spawn so close that there is little to no reaction time;
most of my playtime now is around 10.3-7 in multiple trees, the German Roland costs as much as a LEO2A4, but has nowhere near the same effect against GF, while each SAM cost 400+ SL.
SPAAG’s can shoot down all the planes they want and contribute nothing for the win in a GFAB match, as explained in my post earlier in tis thread. My personal best is still held by the Coelian with 16 planes shot down, great for my personal SL and RP count, but nothing else.
I’ve been killed when moving. Some bomber guys misdrop, or they actually anticipate what areas people are moving into–leading the target(s). And I’ve had the bomb go with no whistle and only a 1-2 second delay, also.
a. very long time ago;
b. Coelian, has good armor, loads of ammo and ok mobility. and was not removed yet!!!;
c. planes in those days came straight at the SPAAG;
d. most of the time they already dropped their ordnance;
and to make my point, sure i got loads of RP and SL to cover my losses, but it did nothing for the win.
having so many plane kills, is the direct result of losing many allies. Losing any AIR asset has NO negative impact on the player or their side in case of ticket loss.
the worst is like i said higher up where, AIR can fire laser or TV guided or ordnance outside of the SPAAG umbrella.
At least something, just not be practice target for aircrafts. This is unplayable.
Some of solutions:
Make aircraft available once per 5 minutes, because now, there are aircrafts flying like it is airshow. Many times I can’t focus against ground vehicles.
Ground vehicles doesn’t get detected (shown name and type) until aircraft is very close (<200 m) or scouted by scout in the team.
Add aircraft repair cost, if get shot, so players wouldn’t take aircrafts so easily if they need to pay repairs.
Bombers, I do not remember that bombers provided CAS. Attackers were CAS aircrafts. So best it would be to remove them. Few days ago, one bomber killed half of a team with one bomb, 7 KILLS WITH ONE BOMB! Yeah, we shouldn’t be that close, but we weren’t in situation to spread. Because we were half circled by enemy tanks. Where every you try to go or to poke, someone will hit you. You can guess, enemy won after that.
But… we can write here million posts more, WT/Gaijin team doesn’t care about players.
Jesus christ, this post demonstates the sheer misunderstanding people are having.
#1 basically guts any sort of role SPAA have, and makes airstrike points functionally useless. AB matches dont last that long anyways, at best you would get maybe two waves.
#2 does not work because SPAA knows you are there already, and it goss against the entire premise of AB - less about your eyesight and spotting, more about tactics and reaction time.
#3 is dumb as well - with this I would simply never take an aircraft out, as the risk of being shot down and then paying a hefty repair cost is in no way worth the slight gain I may get.
#4 is a non-issue. Yes, IRL bombers did not provide CAS, but that has no bearing ingame. All that needs to be changed regarding them is fuzes (10s fuze should not have an altitude cap.) Point stacking and point gain upon exit should also be removed, as it’s the only reason they are “op” at higher BRs.
And yeah that is absolutely y’alls skill issue in being so bunched up, and quite honestly is a perfectly legitimate use of CAS.
Incorrect. Cutting down enemy air forces does two things.
The first is quite obvious, denying them the hefty capability CAS can give them. Properly utilized CAS can win battles or turn the tide, but SPAA prevents that.
Second up, it drains the enemy of their airstrike points and enables you to bring your own CAS in. Running a Bkan vs CAS and then using the accumulated points to spawn your own CAS is one of the best things you can do with it, and has an undeniable impact upon the battle.
I’m not advocating NO AIR, i want a more balanced mechanic.
SPAAG with IR missiles can be avoided with flares, laser guided can be avoided and SAM can’t move during flight.
Buccaneer at 10.3 ish BR has 28 x 500lbs bombs enough to carpet a large section of the map.
most helicopters have flares or like Mi28NM has some kind of jammer impervious to IR missiles.
The current mechanic is tilted to much towards AIR:
no costs, even free points , with possibility to earn 3 points if you egress the fly-out
i lose almost 7k SL if FlakRakPz1 Roland is destroyed and top-tier SPAAG if even more expensive;
SAMS cost between 400-950 SL per shot, unless your USSR or only have on missile to begin with.
dont know what BR you play, but at 10.3-7, there are way more events then 2 per battle. However SWE does have nice SPAAG in ASRAD-R.
You make some good points and I agree that aircraft should not be removed from GFAB. As far as bunching up, you are correct but sometimes you have no choice as it seems that the maps are getting smaller and smaller. Having larger maps with actual playable areas in addition to more cp’s to capture might mitigate some of the problems dealing with aircraft.
Honestly, I think much of those problems can be fixed with loadout tuning and fixing the bomb fuzes (Especially with the aformentioned buc.)
As for this, I have always supported removing point gain for egress - imo it should only be SL or RP rewards. Your other two points indicate to me that AB repair costs need a look-over, especially SPAA.
Not quite. Even just firing at them degrades their capability, as it forces them to go evasive and worsens target selection. God knows its happened plenty of times faciny Gepards or M163s.
On the one hand I support ticket loss conceptually, but on the other hand, AB games are already quite short. If the addition of ticket loss was mirrored with a slight reduction in objective ticket drain, though, I would be fine with it.