Can the Su-39 finally receive the Khod FLIR, and maybe the Kinzhal-S?

[NoobHue80073]

Much already have been said about it, so i just leave some comments on each thing, and some links with all the source.

Su-39, "Khod/Kinzhal" Thermal Imaging/Radar Container

poll The Su-25T and Su-39 are potentially the most interesting attack aircraft in the USSR. They were created in the 90s, when the economy was in a very bad shape, but they offered very interesting ideas, and it’s a shame they were abandoned. The Su-39 was designed precisely as an all-weather aircraft, capable of performing the task in difficult conditions. For this purpose, it was designed with the “Kopye-25” radar and another under-the-radar container, which for some reason is missing in the …

Su-39\Su-25T Khod thermal imager six months of searching

Since the release of the Su-39 my heart has been warmed by this airplane. Incredibly beautiful, in many ways unique and with its own (largely undeservedly unfortunate) history. The Su-39 (aka Su-25TM) was designed to be a multi-tasking aircraft in the shell of the Su-25 attack aircraft. It was required to be all-weather and capable of fighting off enemy aircraft. To solve these problems, the Khod thermal imaging container, the Dagger millimeter radar, and the Kopye-25 3 centimeter radar were d…

Bug reports corcerning these “missing features” of the Su-39.

SU-25TM(SU-39) missing KHOD FLIR pod // Gaijin.net // Issues

Su-39 Missing “Khod/Kinzhal” pod (FLIR+RADAR) // Gaijin.net // Issues

Su-39 Missing “Kinzhal” MMW // Gaijin.net // Issues

Visual confirmations of the khod container and a scheme:

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There is also a third pod that was datamined and till this day it still in slumber. I don’t even know it would hold, but my guess is if the Mercury and Khod used the same container, this one was used for testing the Kinzhal-S on the T8TM-2.

@Morvran

Though a model has been datamined

Three containers below:

Containers

@Ralin

by Overscan
"This Mercuriiy pod was displayed on the Su-25TM - the shutter covers the sensitive optics. Whether it was functional, I don’t know. The results of testing were not good. It was intended to be replaced by a Khod FLIR in the same container.

This is the Mercuriiy for the Su-25 below. It has the fixed circular wide-angle view lens as on the V-80 prototype and a separate and a narrow-view lens that is moveable. Source: Ildar Bedretdinov book on Su-25"

source:
Soviet targeting pods (Mercuriy LLTV) | Secret Projects Forum

And Gaijin judges it as such, because in game Mercury uses the same container as Khod.

Su-39 suffers immensily with any bad weather. Rain and clouds makes you incapable of engaging any targets far than 7Km. The only USSR aircraft that have a thermal imager is the Su-25SM3, and the Su-34 has the Kh-38MT, which the Su-34 can use the thermal seekers on the missiles to see.

Hardly you would find NATO aircraft at this 11.3 lacking a thermal imager – even the Chinese got thermal imagers

The Khod FLIR would be essential, but having also the possibility of Kinzhal-S would be very interesting because it also is able to guide the Vikhrs missiles, just as the kopyo-25 does, but being able to track static objects. Thus the vikhr could be a very effective weapon for use with the mmW radar, in a very unique play style.

[Smoak741]

su-25T also should get khod pod

[TPS_Hydra]

It’s just a matter of time, there’s no way they continue to dodge and weave all the request for the Khod pod and ARH missiles right? Right…?

[Kingtiez]

I feel like it’s just going to get ignored again. Though the dedication to it is nice, thank you.

[BasherBenDawg8]

@TPS Hydra@live

and ARH missiles

No.

[TPS_Hydra]

Go on and tell my why missiles like the RVV-AE and R-271 shouldn’t be added to the SU-39? It’d be entirely fine at the BR of 12.7 and would function as the counter to the AV-8B+.

People coped and whined about the SU-25BM receiving the R-73Es because it was thought to be a unnecessary and unbalanced addition and look where we are now.

[ARK_BOI]

Ah yes other buy your ways to fox 3 good idea hah?

[BasherBenDawg8]

@TPS Hydra@live

Go on and tell my why missiles like the RVV-AE and R-271 shouldn’t be added to the SU-39

Because it couldn’t use them. Yes the radar was capable of guiding them, but the aircraft wasn’t capable of firing and using them. It was a strike aircraft, an the missiles were mounted as a proof of concept. Gaijin also believes this, and it’s why they won’t be added. The same thing goes for the fake MiG-23-98 which also only mounted missiles as a proof of concept.

[TPS_Hydra]

This has been a option for a while now, the JF-17 has access to the SD-10A, the JA 37DI also has access to the AIM-120s and we’re soon going to get the SU-33 albeit without ARH missiles but performance similar to top tier aircraft.

[TPS_Hydra]

Because it couldn’t use them. Yes the radar was capable of guiding them, but the aircraft wasn’t capable of firing and using them. It was a strike aircraft

This may of been true for the SU-25T and SU-25TM but this is just entirely untrue for the SU-39. The SU-39 was the successor in ways of the SU-25TM integrating a new FCS named after itself called the “SUO-39P”. The FCS was introduced onto the aircraft to ease implementation of new missiles like the RVV-AE and R-271 which haven’t been used on previous SU-25 variants before.

The goal for the SU-39 initiative was to produce a all weather multirole aircraft derived from the SU-25 for lower income nations such as Ethiopia or Egypt, not a strike aircraft like you mentioned prior.

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I’m not sure where you’ve gotten the idea that the SU-39 could never actually fire both the RVV-AE or R-271.

This has been argued to death anyways, you should’ve known this already

[NoobHue80073]

Gaijin ignores the issues with the kopyo-25. They ignore the sufficient evidence for the Khod FLIR. They ignore that they could ask Leninetz or the Patriot Park for info about the Kinzhal-S, as the addition of the radar could create a very unique playstyle for the Su-39, using the vikhr as a SARH guided A-G weapon.

Hell, I bet the VN-001 had less unclassified information about it to be found, and still Gaijin added it in the Mi-8AMTSh-VN – which also barely entered active service.

[NoobHue80073]

Gajin accepted a bug report about it. How would they not add them?

[NoobHue80073]

Literally bruh

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[NoobHue80073]

I did not know about it. I was thinking before that it could get a “Su-25TM” modification, but this could interesting too.

[Smoak741]

its from book where devs take informations etc, so its first source

[NoobHue80073]

So the Su-25T not receiving the Khod from the start also was a “balancing decision”.

This and the datamined container make me believe the devs know much more than the actual state of those aircraft imply.

[Smoak741]

mere bias and that’s it, the only aircraft with built-in thermal imaging is the su-25sm3. why give the soviets the rest? E.g. mig29smt/su27sm lacks sapsan-e. Also why give it.

[NoobHue80073]

@Smoak741

E.g. mig29smt/su27sm lacks sapsan-e.

What is that thermal imager? Russia produces it? I did have heard about sometimes but never took time to search it systematically.

Not only that, but did you know that right now the only SARH A-G weapon in the game is the vikhr on the Su-39? Keeping that mind is good to remember the mess that the kopyo-25 is, tracking the void and losing locks on MOVING TARGETS. Using the vikhr plus the radar could have been a absolutely unique play style if Gaijin haven’t butchered it completely.

[NoobHue80073]

@NoobHue80073

Not only that, but did you know that right now the only SARH A-G weapon in the game is the vikhr on the Su-39? Keeping that mind is good to remember the mess that the kopyo-25 is, tracking the void and losing locks on MOVING TARGETS. Using the vikhr plus the radar could have been a absolutely unique play style if Gaijin haven’t butchered it completely.

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https://youtu.be/pRuMj1LUTB4?si=Unqbd4VQtKOH2YMC

[NoobHue80073]

Funny how my bug report about the VN-001 on the Mi-8AMTSh-VN having the wrong radar band got a reply one day later, but already been four days of no response to the bug report I made about the Kopyo-25, which has strong evidence.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/seRvRo1CkJHH