Well, now that’s an… interesting take, I can’t deny that, hahah.
I can’t understand how you can say that BVM “doesn’t have the armor”, or that its armor is “only ever so slightly better”, when it’s literally the best along with the uparmored Leopards and 90M.
A picture speaks a thousand words, so… T-80BVM vs M829A2, and M1A2 SEP vs 3BM60:
This basically means that M1A2 SEP needs to snipe-hunt for weakspots, when all T-80BVM needs to do to kill the Abrams is to shoot in its general direction… and it’s dead. Armor DOES matter!
In regards to the rounds… what difference does it make?
M829A2 can’t penetrate t-80BVM, while 3BM60 can slice through M1A2 SEP like a hot knife through butter. Even if M829A2 has higher pen… it doesn’t change anything; T-80BVM can lolpen M1A2 SEP, M1A2 SEP must snipe for weakspots.
I also admit that I find rather… further questionable your criteria now knowing that you consider T-80UK to be better than T-80BVM…
T-80BVM has better shell, better thermals, better hull armor, better side armor, better 60º arc protection (and 360º), better ERA coverage, better turret traverse speed, better gun traverse speed, and… well, I guess that’s a personal taste thing, hahah. LWS is cool though.
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This is why I have issue with the “just aim for the weakspots” take most players have when you complain this kind of thing. Whilst true. Most nations dont have worry about aiming for a weakspot vs you. (Challenger 2 is the same and it sucks)
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There you have it, BVM having a similarly weak armor as M1A2 while being slower and having a worse round.
As you can see from the image you posted, any round from 10.7 to 11.7 can go through T-80BVM just fine.
Not sure how an entire turret is “snipe hunting”…
T-80BVM has a far worse shell, effective same thermals, same armor.
It’s obvious you’re shilling for the BVM cause Russia’s your favorite.
You have photo evidence disproving your claims and you keep posting the false claims.
I don’t even know how to reply to… this…
Specially this part:
It’s obvious you’re shilling for the BVM cause Russia’s your favorite.
XD?
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TLDR. To even damage a BVM meaningful (and in fairness same goes for things like the 2A7V at the moment) you have to aim for extremely specific spots. Those spots only get much much smaller if you actually want to one shot said target.
To one shot something like a Challenger 2 at the moment, you have to aim literally anywhere other than the turret cheeks (and even then, some shells can actually pen them at the moment I think, unless it was fixed). Same can basically be said for some of the Abrams, the LeClerc the Ariette, etc
(and truth is I dont trust the protection analysis at all. It says you can pen shots that ive had none-pens with)
Now this is just a compression issue at its core. Some of the 11.7s are barely worthy of 11.7 to begin with whilst others should be 12+. So hopefully that gets fixed next major. But still. Somethings do kinda need adjusting
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He doesn’t understand that words have actual meanings.
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A turret isn’t a specific weakspot.
I’ve destroyed BVMs with ease using DM33, which is among the weakest rounds at 10.7 - 11.7, specifically the Type 90.
Turret’s literally at 10.3, and not even as armored as a 2A4’s turret.
BVM’s turret ERA coverage is utterly garbage, and the only reason people don’t frag a BVM is cause it snuck up on them or they think it’s an Abrams for some reason and shoot the UFP.
Every tank in the game has a mantlet weak spot in the turret, and the BVM even has the benefit of a large breech block to absorb all the spall and save your crew. That is not comparable to being able to lolpen half the tank. It’s not saying something the say you killed it with DM33. Every tank in the game can be killed by any APFSDS through the side or rear, even with anemic XM885
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I never said the turret was the weakspots. I said you have to aim literally anywhere except the turret cheeks of a challenger 2 to one shot it.
I’ve noticed more and more people just quit before match starts when teamed with USA. I don’t like it, but it is what it is.
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MUCH harder shot on bvm than an abrams or chally.
I was making a survivability guide for some tanks, based on my experience over several thousand Top Tier matches against and across all nations except for Italy and China.
Here, my point about the Abrams is very… visual.
Fun fact regarding this pic; ingame, all the armor around the fuel tanks, including on the LFP and UFP, is underperforming. If the fuel tank bulkheads were fixed, maybe it would help the Abrams a bit, sometimes.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/xK4GPBS59dUL
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The turret isn’t a mantlet… BVM’s breach is tiny dude, it’s smaller than the Abrams breach.
The turret itself is weak.
You now are claiming the front BVM turret is side or rear… what are you on about?
Your post is defending the BVM with lies as if you’re repeating stuff RT would say.
@Morvran
Turret cheeks on T-80B are green.
Feel free to screenshot, this pic goes hard
Edit: lmao they hated him for he told the truth
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Abrams has impenetrable turret cheeks
Auto-bounce UFP
5 second reloads
Top tier APFSDS
Top tier mobility
Top tier CAS spam
America suffers…
I just made a survivability guide for Top Tier MBTs and… seeing the Abrams is depressing lmao
This should settle many things.
It’s only barely better than the damn Ariete.
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Wow! Like, uh… every single tank that isn’t an Ariete or a Merkava?
Only if the angle is perfectly flat, just like every other tank with highly angled UFPs. Be as much as a single degree angled downwards due to the terrain, and it becomes yet another weakspot.
629mm of pen, 600mm of pen… what difference does it make, when your opponents have 750mm KE and you won’t be able to penetrate them anyway? Even Gaijin said that even M829A3 (which is better than DM53) wouldn’t change much.
What you can pen with 629mm, you can pen it with 600mm.
No better than, again and for example, any Leopard 2, any Strv 122, T-80BVM, Type 10, Leclerc, etc. All Top Tier MBTs have top tier mobility save for the Challenger 2s.
That’s a whole different matter. Or should we count as well Russia’s SU-25SM3, SU-39, Mi-28NM, etc?
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If the American tanks are so bad in the top tier … then why play them?
the “XD” behind Ariete, I can’t X)
i don’t even know how those maining italy can handle it
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When did you get that profile icon?
