Click Bait has much better turret armor, how did you miss that ?
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So youre now comparing the 11.7 better M1A1 which is functionally identical to what is the M1A2 sep bar thermals to the far worse Merkava Mk3 B?
“my friends merkava” which isnt you owning the merkava Mk3 as well as this I apoligies I hadnt noticed the MK2D as I was not looking as you can see at your premiums instead at the TT vehicles like we are discussing
- Just because the mark 4 merkavas are far worse at their BR that does not suddenly make the mk3 merkava good at all. The mk4 merkavas, arietes and CR2s are all tied for being the worst top tier tanks in game so do with that what you will.
you say that in italics like im supposed to be impressed
I had both the IPM1, M1A1 and M1A1 HC before the clickbait was even released.
the M829A1 round is an absolutely phenomenal round at its BR especially with the 5 second reload.
cause he actually has not used the tanks hes talking about,
@TPS_Hydra Oh something else I got mistaken, the merkava Mk3’s actually have four rounds infront of the engine not 2 so its even less surivable.
fun fact, the M774 round will travel clean through the front of the 11.3 merkava and out the back door if fired center mass.
same round.
M1A1
I’ve been killed by 3BM42 that was shot pretty low, went through all of my engine block and still killed all 3 crew in the turret lol.
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Ofc it will mate, the tanks armour is completely paper. Youd have to fire across the engine to actually fail to pen it with anything worse than even L23 man
even across the engine xd
fun fact, the M774 round will travel clean through the front of the 11.3 merkava and out the back door if fired center mass
Also fun fact, both the M1A1 and Merkava Mk.3 can go through one another clean - additionally, the Leopard 2A4 which sits at 10.7 has similar turret protection when compared to the M1A1.
Is it time to move the Leopard 2A4 up to 11.7 now?
M1A1 Turret Cheeks
Leopard 2A4 Turret Cheeks
Bravo, another reason why the M1A1 shouldn’t move up to 11.7 - let’s not forget when you said the M1A1 has superior optics lmao.
Lets also move up the T-80UD/DU-1 to 11.7 since it has generation 2 thermals, 500mm of UFP and a impenetrable turret!
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Not quite as large portions of UFP on the M1A1 will be auto bounce zones.
Click Bait should move to 12.0 as it’s on par with 2A5 and is definitely better than some 12.0s as well.
Also, where did I say M1A1 has better optics than Mk3 ?
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What T80 is that mate? xD
yes Im well aware that the M1A1 and merkava can cut clean threough one another.
however im showing the the merkava Mk3 at 11.3 is still easily destroyed with even tank ammunition from 2 BR steps below it. Hell it can be penned and one tapped by 8.3 tanks while an abrams cant.
That is to highlight the protection levels that YOU claimed are good.
The merkava Mk3 can barely survive being hit by a 100mm apfsds never mind a 120MM modern one.
The leopard 2A4 if it got DM33 which it can historically fire would 100 percent be 11.0 at least.
Also for the leopard 2a4 and M1A1 comparisson you should do it with the penetration maps, not choose one specific point on the 2a4 which is the hardest part of the turret
You should also show what round you are using, and the penetration map to get a more accurate representation of what you’re trying to prove cause if we use the fact that even M774 can whack a leopard 2a4 frontally it tells us everything we need to know.
The M1A1 HC, M1A1 click bait and M1A2 should all be 12.0 they are functionally identical to the Sep V2 bar in thermal qualityand commander sight
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Now if you’'ll excuse me, the points are made, If @TPS_Hydra wants to try fervently defend his ideals that the merkava Mk3 somehow doesnt deserve a slight reload buff (one of gaijins forms of balancing) then let him stay blinded to the statistics of the vehicles.
They can’t move CB to 12.0 because it’s a premium, and they can’t move HC and M1A2 because they’re the same thing as CB so it would look weird.
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The fact you continue to use M774 as a example is hilarious, a 10.7 shell doesn’t penetrate a 11.3 tanks? Who would’ve guess! 🥀🥀🥀
Hell it can be penned and one tapped by 8.3 tanks while an abrams cant
I frontally penetrated a T-80U with the PLZ83-130, what’s your point? I also did the same to the Abrams, both have their weaknesses and strengths, at this point just say you want a 1 second reload for the Merkava Mk.3 lmao.
What T80 is that mate? xD
The T-80 in the Chinese TT, it sits at 10.7 and has better armour but worse survivability than the Merkava Mk.3, would you prefer to see that moved up to 12.0 as it has superior armour when compared to the M1A2?
At level ground they don’t bounce and if you’re shooting the Abrams UFP with any shell then you’re doing something wrong - it’s like shooting the turret of a Leopard 2A7V and being surprised when you don’t penetrate.
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actually it would be different if gaijin actually account composite armor improvement over generation and few other stuff
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To be honest,the armor protection of the Merkava is even inferior to that of the CV90 infantry fighting vehicle.Just now,I engaged in a firefight with the C9035.Its 35mm armor-piercing round penetrated my engine and destroyed me,while my 400mm penetration armor-piercing round was actually blocked by its engine and failed to inflict damage!This is really absurd!
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On another occasion,my Merkava 3B was actually destroyed by a single shell from the 2S38 at my 10 o’clock position.The armor of the Merkava is really terrible.
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I have a 2.7 K/D in it, you don’t even have it unlocked lol
Let’s not get into this, a KDR of 2.7 isn’t something to flex as well, if it was like maybe 4 then I’d be impressed. Additionally, people who don’t have certain vehicles can’t talk about them now? If you want to hear the worse taken throughout history, head to the War Thunder Forums where people will argue with you for 5 hours straight about the same thing over and over again!
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Q: What to do with the Merkava Mk.3?
A:
- Buff the frontal armor - turret front resists 3BM46 and possibly also 3BM60; UFP resists 3BM42 and likely also 3BM46, a possibility of an upgrade to resist 3BM60 as well, sacrificing the engine block gives around 100 additional milimeters of crew protection; LFP resists M774 and possibly 3BM22.
- Buff the side + rear armor - all Merkavas are well-known to have excellent side armor, yet in WT they can be killed side-on by reserve tanks. The rear armor is known to be amazingly strong, to the point where shooting it became the doom of many terrorists - the tank will just turn the turret and evaporate the threat. I suggest we buff side and rear armor of the Mk.3 by a modest number of 50%, since the real values are yet unkown, apart from the fact that they are way more significant than the ones we have in the game.
- Buff the reload - Merkava crews are no worse than US ones. A 6.5 second basic reload is reasonable, despite my genuine belief that it could also be slightly faster.
- Make the ammo safer. Merkava tanks IRL are known to have high ammo safety, and the fireproof containers we have in-game (only for the ready rack, I have no idea why) should also function as blowout-panneled containers.
- Add the Iron Vest spall liner to increase survivability.
- Add the APFSDS M321 as a stock shell.
- Add barrel-launched LAHAT ATGMs.
- Buff the targeting speed to NATO standart.
- Buff the penatration of the M339 shell to 172.5 mm RHA by kinetic + 37 mm by high energy action (AKA explosives).
- Stabilize the commander sight on the Merkava Mk.3B.
- Make the engine block effective at crew protection like it is IRL.
- Add an SPAA for them to play with.
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The fact im actively showing the M774 penetrate the merkava mk3 more than any other tank.
hell even showed that the 3BM25 can go clean through it frontally.
They have weaknesses???
You are actively choosing to ignore the fact the merkava at 11.3 entire frontal arc is entirely green to an 8.3 1950s MBT.
It infact doesnt have worse survivability at all. thats ancedotal evidence again where is your source
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It infact doesnt have worse survivability at all
Holy sh*t do you even know what survivability refers to for MBTs? The T-80 and T-72 series of vehicles have one of the worst chances survivability out there, once you manage to penetrate, their tight crew layout means you either one shot through crew knockout or you detonate their charges.
The fact you honestly believe the T-80UD/DU-1 has on par if not, superior survivability than the Merkava Mk.3 makes me laugh, amazing way to discredit anything you say
You are actively choosing to ignore the fact the merkava at 11.3 entire frontal arc is entirely green to an 8.3 1950s MBT
Something I’ve already acknowledged if you did read the conversation prior which you claimed to do, other tanks don’t have a railgun for a APFSDS unlike the Merkava Mk.3 as well, Britain’s best shell is nowhere near as good as M322.
The fact im actively showing the M774 penetrate the merkava mk3 more than any other tank.
hell even showed that the 3BM25 can go clean through it frontally
You shouldn’t use protection map as a way to represent the effectiveness of armour, you should know that already if you’ve played the game long enough (which you apparently haven’t).
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