The problems were summed up in short order. I am aware that you may not grasp that, but it ain’t our issue. Unless you have something useful to the discussion of British Weapon Systems, find a different thread to bitch in. You’ll get a lot more support from your fellow yanks than Brits and co.
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Then go be patient.
After a year of fighting F-16s in the Tornado F3. and watching update after update for the US getting stronger and stronger. And then them getting 12.3s before we even had a competitive 11.7 A2A fighter. I have just lost much of my sympathy for the US. Especially after the number of threads calling for Aim-9X to “balance” the F-15A.
So you have 1, slightly underperforming aircraft (compared to a few nations). You still have one of the strongest in game, the F-16C and the F-15 is 100% competitive, just takes more skill and effort than the F-16s did in 2023.
If it gets buffed .Then whatever, it will hopefully move up to 12.7 where it belongs. if not, oh well, im sure you will get F-15C MSIP II with AMRAAM next major update, so you wont be waiting long for a new top tier fighter
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F15 they got ain’t underperforming no matter how much they cry. Mates deserve no sympathy, especially not with the state of France, Britain, Sweden, arguably Italy, whilst they kept getting their F16s, f14s, whatever they wanted and asked for. Utterly shocked they haven’t gotten 9X with the crocodile tears they keep showing.
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Maybe underperforming is the wrong word.
Can’t outperform a handful of aircraft like the Gripen
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Yeah, its a BVR truck. They just need to learn to exploit its speed and fly defensively (to be honest, I reckon anyone who has a lot of experience in the Tornado F3 would annihilate in an F-15) . Going after those at alt (where Aim-7M are very good) or those distracted where Aim-9M is very good. If they are trying to turn fight, then of course they are going to die. Its like a BF-109 trying to dogfight a Spitfire and loosing hard and then complaining about it
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The fact it keeps position if it engages in a turn fight is a fiction. Not against what it is fighting, if it were against lesser aircraft, sure. But it ain’t. The fact it holds is the ahistorical crap, even if it won’t gain position. Vague competency and the F15 is utterly fucked, it is only an indictment on the American playerbase with how poorly it performs in matches.
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I have no horse in this race, Sunshine. I ain’t a pommie.
What I do have is a bone to pick with delusional yanks who refuse to accept reality. Your weapons platform that you praise oh so much was exactly that. A weapons platform. That success rate you boast of? Against outdated mirages and civilian ground targets.
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As far as I am aware. ALL aircraft added in the last major have placeholder radars. The Gripen’s have the F-16s radar currently and Im currently not flying the Gripen much (along with a few other factors) due to how buggy it is (bug report has been sumbitted and acknowledge)
Judging an aircraft by its current state is not really worth it. I would rather look at what it should be like as I have been doing with the Gripen C (and many many other aircraft. RIP Tornado IDS, in its current state, its nearly not even worthy of being called that)
Would you like to trade for the Skyflash DFs?
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We don’t even have the weapon that the Tornado carried to receive the livery of Mig Eater, whilst the yanks cried for a week and ended up with 9M.
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Maybe, I like my Tornado and im really excited to be able to play it soon against something other than a 12 or 12.3 (SB main)
But so many features are just missing and its a shame. from Pilot hand control (that would give in essence, limited FoV HMD), to the flight model, to the Skyflash SuperTEMP modeling to the biggest of them all, the placeholder cockpit HUD.
Its all just really really annoying.
Yeah, and AAM buffs are probably long overdue. Im on the fence about Aim-9M. Probably would have meant a BR increase and without AMRAAM, it wouldnt be worth it, but it also probably needs them at 11.3/11.7 to be competitive. But we could have at least gotten De-Chirped Aim-9L
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Fail to see why the tornado should go up with 9m. Yanks have a significantly more functional tornado with 9Ms, ground pounding options, maneuverability, better SARHs, at 12.3. Tornados should be better, and don’t really thhink they’d need to move up with 9Ms, they lack much in the way to use them problematically, and are somewhat lacking in the countermeasure area.
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Unfortuantely for the same reason the F-15A needs to go to 12.7, because vs 10.3s in a supersonic Tornado F3, Aim-9M would be OP as hell. Already the Tornado F3 in a full downtier is very very strong. its just been plauged with forced uptiers most of its life and its that above any other reason, why it sucks so hard. Unfortunately, with the semi-decompression, It might now move to 11.7 without any buffs. Though I really really hope it doesnt, as it would see 12.7s again
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Forgot it was 11.3, thought it was the same BR as the harrier. Think I’m just tired.
Tornados should be better. They even give us the mig eater livery in game, but not the weapon used to achieve that feat. It is bothersome.
Yeah, they really do and the real pity is that they finished them fully. Aircraft Like the IDS (Gr1) I think genuinely could end up at 11.7 if completed, and not a “uh… this feels over BRed” but a “damn, this is still really competitive to fly”
Its kinda insane the state its in.
is that Aim-9M?
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JP233.
It’d be nice to actually have the thing the livery is actually relevant to. Especially when completely unnecessary stuff gets added the moment Americans cry about it. Could even be useful in Sim, if they cared to do anything interesting.
Oh right, yeah, I would kill for JP233 (and CBUs in general) the Tornado does feel like a bit of an empty shell at the moment. I enjoy it, Im really glad its finally had a BR fix (new SB brackets) meaning its a LOT stronger in SB. But you fly it and it feels… empty.
Yeah, I would 100% use it for AF attacks in SB, I doubt though the mines would be modeled, but it could have a damage multiplier vs AFs or something,
Missiles weren’t really needed, but yanks get them. Tornado missing arguably one of the more important things it carried, nope, not added.
I get the argument for not adding CBUs and that is the hamster would die of a heart attack on its server rack wheel trying to handle CBUs being used. But its not excuse for things like Chaff count in the BOZ pods, the radar, missing HUD symbology, ASMs, a few in-game loadout options like Paveway IIs.
And then more creative additions like ALARM.
At the moment, the BIG buff would be 2x BOL rails currently missing from the Gr1
(though that being said, if they only modeled the runway cratering munitions and not the mines, then thats only 30 bomblets per pod and the aircraft could carry 2 pods, so 60 in all, and no reason why the server couldnt handle that)
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GR1 is the one I fly, when I fly a tornado. The chaff situation is awful. HUD makes it hard to find targets.
And even if they only modeled a few mines, or a region that counted as mined instead of individual mines, server wouldn’t really struggle. Just feel it a bit cheap to include the livery, but not the weapon.
Yeah, there are certainly options for adding JP233. and yeah, The Tornado Gr1 has a rediculous amount of potential, but gaijin seem to have just, forgotten it. The lack of aircraft in 2023 was annoying, but the state of what few aircraft we did have was actually painful and made me really really angry.
Even now, im worried the Tornado F3 wont ever get a completed cockpit HUD because Gripen C has essentially replaced it in most respects. (“So why bother finishing an old aircraft”)