British Weapon Systems - Technical data and discussion

[Kobes-Kamov]

Future Weapons Discovery Channel

Took me a while to find this, it has some cool info on how the Starstreak and its guidance works.

Interestingly, they show an armour plate which has been hit by a Starstreak.

He never describes the exact thickness, he just says “over an inch thick”. It could quite easily be 35-40mm thick and the Starstreak seems to have penetrated it pretty easily, punching a huge hole in it.

To me this says the 50mm figure is probably a bit of an understatement if it can penetrate that much armour seemingly quite easily.

[Inverse_Hair_Law]

I doubt Gaijin will except this as a source though unfortunately.

[Kobes-Kamov]

Probably not sadly.

Thales also gives a similar example for the Marltet, saying it can penetrate “almost 6” of the shown blocks of steel.

Those must be around 100mm thick each, thats some pretty good pen for a small missile.

[Inverse_Hair_Law]

Real shame there isnt a tandem warhead variant, i imagine it would really struggle against ERA in War Thunder. Better than nothing though for sure.

[TwitchyNGL]

@Kobes-Kamov

To me this says the 50mm figure is probably a bit of an understatement if it can penetrate that much armour seemingly quite easily.

Tbh that doesn’t look thicker than 50mm to me.

[Morvran]

I guess that is largely what LMM is for

Lightweight Multirole Missile for Stormer HVM - Slower but Surer

poll Alvis Stormer HVM is a vehicle known for firing a unique in its design Starstreak missile. However, the 3 darted menace is not the only missile that the Stormer can threaten its enemies with. There is another one, a missile that is as deadly to ground targets, as it is to the air targets. Introducing Lightweight Multirole Missile Every great thing has its start, so let me explain its development to you.

The Lightweight Multirole Missile was initially conceived as Thales’ response to th…

[AblativeKitten]

They are referring to LMM

[Morvran]

I thought it was Starstreak, my bad

[Mian_Gan]

Does this rocket have an infinite supply of fuel?
https://www.youtube.com/live/zRt1jLkaUmU

[Master_Teaz]

Martels don’t have infinite fuel, but their burn time is so long that it may aswell have, as it in practice it hits the target before it burns out

[Flame2512]

The sustain motor burns for 92 seconds IRL.

[Mathll]

Hello, quick question about the English Jaguars, I’m preparing a bug report because it seems that the French Jaguars can equip the BOZ 103 countermeasures pod in internal wing points. Does anyone know if the English version can also use this ?

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LA GUERRE ÉLECTRONIQUE SUR JAGUAR ; les pionniers (1979-1983) | 11 ème Escadre de chasse

[Gunjob]

BOZ pods to my knowledge require a control panel installation (see tornado), certainly have nothing primary to confirm any BOZ usage on British Jaaaaaags.

[Mathll]

Okay, thanks for the info, for the integration on the French version there are no official documents that talk about it but there are photos and many testimonies that attest to the use of BOZ, I don’t know if it will be enough to add it.

EDIT : I have an official source who talks about the use of the BOZ in the case of SEAD missions without naming any particular aircraft, but the only aircraft that was flying these missions at that time was the Jaguar.

[da12thmonkey]

Don’t think it’s something that was ever done with our Jags. Apart from Tornado I’ve only seen BOZ on Canberra PR.9 and Nimrod MR.2

IIRC the French Jaguars that carried BOZ were using it to generate “chaff corridors” during strikes, until France developed Barax and Barracuda ECM for Jaguar in the 80s. Where in the UK we already had jamming pods by the time BOZ-107 was introduced to the RAF for Tornado alongside Sky Shadow (~1985 or there abouts).
So there wasn’t the same initial need for it on RAF Jaguar as there was for the French - pairing AN/ALQ-101 + Phimat had been sufficient from the late 1970s, and continued to be until Jaguar retired.

[Mathll]

@da12thmonkey

IIRC the French Jaguars that carried BOZ were using it to generate “chaff corridors” during strikes, until France developed Barax and Barracuda ECM for Jaguar in the 80s

Yes exactly, it is testimonies of this use that made me discover this use on the French Jaguars, they used it with the CT-51 before the introduction of the more modern jammers

[tripod2008]

New report is live.

Implementing “Sidewinder Expanded Acquisition Mode” (SEAM)

It may impact the UK F-4’s and Harrier’s, if I can find more info which should improve SRM Acquisition speeds, I’ll follow it with it’s counterpart for the increased Field of Regard while Slaved shortly.

[Gunjob]

The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

Yep. The brimstone can be told to attack certain types of vehicles, I.e tracked vehicles and not cars, spaa erc. It can’t tell the difference between say a leopard 2 and a t-72, but it can be told to prioritise moving targets over static ones for example. The key though is a very tightly defined target area where it is allowed to find its own targets. It would be quite a lot of work to implement a system to allow the player to define that box, and then have the seekers choose their targets ba…

@SwingfireOP I’ll reply here as Brimstone isn’t the topic of the KH-38MT thread.

But it can ID specific types of vehicle, we’ve already covered this extensively.

Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion

No as per the brochure and the NATO definition of terms it does “identification”, again we don’t need to be English masters here, the same paper outlines the definition of those terms. [image] [image]

[SwingfireOP]

Awesome! I didn’t known it could tell different tanks apart. That’s pretty freakin amazing.

Would still be OP as hell though. Deleting every t-72 in one pass would be a touch game breaking I think. 🤣

I will now return to the topic at hand.

[Gunjob]

Oh I completely agree, I’m not sure how you balance it, other than to make it a game convention that chaff smoke systems are effective against it because IRL they aren’t;

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But even then the gameplay style for mmW Brimstone guidance is very difficult to counter from the ground, boarding on not possible other than hard kill APS.