British Weapon Systems - Technical data and discussion

Nah, the Neutral steering on the CR1 is already very generous.

The drive for the neutral steering on the CR1 was too thin to apply full torque of the engine or it would shear the drivetrain for the neutral steering.

This means it could only really be used on very firm, flat ground or it would completely break the tank and result in a very problematic repair.

I personally wached this happen to the privately owned CR1 during War and Peace Revival, Hop Farm in 2018. They tried to perform neutral steering on rough/uneven ground, broke the tank and it needed to be recovered/towed from the show grounds as it could not move on its own power.

Gaijin typically does not model that level of detail on the transmissions of tanks, as far as I know it is almost purely based of horsepower, weight and gear ratios.

Perhaps thats what they have done, and if so fair enough. However, its worth a shot at getting it improved.

No, they don’t. But it’s already very generous in terms of torque and speed.

If you were to obtain a manual you would find that neutral steering was strictly forbidden off road.

They were literally trying to showcase the neutral steering during the show in 2018, but broke the tank attempting it.

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Thats the case for many vehicles we have ingame, if the Panther was modelled accurately its transmission would be breaking constantly if you didnt drive it perfectly.

I think that if tanks such as the Panther (and many others) get to ignore their design flaws then the Challenger Mk.1s can too.

Theres tanks ingame which couldn’t even fire on the move, yet can do it ingame just fine.

There’s a significant difference between a reliability problems of a tank that is proven to demonstrate specified performance, even if it is at least once, verses a tank that physically could not do what it can in game, let alone the performance you are suggesting.

It’s like trying to say a ww2 prop plane should be able to do a 12g turn without breaking its wings because overload is a relaliability problem. Yes, tank engines and transmissions don’t break on their own in game, but there is also no evidence the CR1 can neutral steer anywhere near as fast as it can now.

The CR1 only has the neutral steering performance it has in game because the documentation that would show its real life capability is still restricted/secret. (It was really really bad and i have been expecting a nerf for years now)

Did the transmission on the Challenger 2 fix this issue?

Yes. The neutral steering drivetrain is made to a much higher standard as it was highlighted as a signficant weakness of the CR1. The gearbox for it is also rated to much higher torque levels.

If anyone can find an actual video of a CR1 actually being able to demonstrate neutral steering capability, please share it because its something I have been looking for years, and the only opportunity I had to witness/record it, it broke the tank. :)

Everyone I have spoken to has always said that while the CR1 is technically capable of neutral steering, it was never performed in the field and very rarely, if ever used and only on flat concrete surfaces with minimal tread resistance.

Please also note that I cannot actually back up any of these claims or prove what have learned, or provide any sources.

It is merely speculation and interpretation of publicly known information.




first guided test of the spear 3 was conducted

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what’s it?

the daughter of Brimstone and GBU-39?

miniature cruise missile with the guidance section of a brimstone

Ah so Storm shadow x Brimstone

You can basically think of it as Brimstone with wings and a jet engine. Though there is more to it than that.

a solid state pulse jet like the meteor or a diffent type?

No literally a small jet engine. Like you would find in an aircraft, or Storm Shadow.

Supposedly this one:

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So a GBU-53/B SDB II, with a Motor? (The key visual discriminator seems to be the presence / lack of an air intake on the side of the missile)

Do we know if the SPEAR 3 is “UAI Type 2” certified? or the station adapter that it uses?

I can’t imagine it would be cheap to certify a station adapter for flight / release / jettison across the flight envelope, especially when it has much in common with the BRU-61A/A is already good to go with existing F-35 Blocks considering that external dimensions are basically the same between the stores in question, so should amount to software changes at most, since it should fit on the BRU-61.

It is:

yeah kinda
built for f-35 to be carried internally, 8 at a time

here#s the DoD’s video about it
https://x.com/DefenceHQ/status/1858102806277722564

That’s a BRU-61 on the left side of the Top left inserted image, which you can see the SPEAR 3 being quad packed on.

It’s definitely something to keep in mind for a rainy day; when (not if,) the F-35 is being added; since we know that they are compatible and ordnance is a “balancing decision”, it could well be added as an alternate store(if the range is an issue). They should be similar with a the main differences being the reduced range.

On the other hand I do wonder if a SDB-III / -IV is being worked on as a powered variant of the existing SDB’s, or if it’s AGM-187A all the way.

lol thats a maverick replacement

It’s literally just a modernized revision of the Hellfire (Oh Wow, the tail fins now fold down for conformal carriage on the BRU-61, what a massive change.) with an advanced motor (2x range to 14~16km or so) and a Dual mode, or Tri-modal (MMW/IIR/SAL) seeker depending on the version.