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Martels are gunna need some work I think. I’ll wait till live and see if they get further polished.

They seem to not have any kinda of loft programmed into them and when fired at low alt at a naval target will just slam into the sea. They also have a tendency to still miss the naval target by flying too high when you do drop them from a higher alt

300ft launch vs 10km and it just hits the water despite the motor still burning

Martel missing naval target:

I’ve checked the TV PGMs and they’ll hit the target just fine, so its not a TV related issue.

Flame does have a report in for the lack of lofting though:

Community Bug Reporting System

They also dont pack that much of a punch, but that seems to be the standard for ASMs from what i’ve heard about the AS-34s at the moment as they dont aim for any weakspots / damage model limitations.

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2764

From 2000m altitude, I got consistent results going for the destroyer at 18-25km away with Martel.

2765

On live or Dev?

2766

Dev. For the 25km launches I had to be around 3000m, but still scored 2 hits on the destroyer.

2767

They seem to fly beautifuly to target when fired above about 400ft for me, but wierdly dont work below about 300ft.

As for missing, when the missile is coming down with any angle then hit chances go up a lot. As its not aiming for something from the side but rather down onto it

2768

Consistently hitting the same spots from ~20km, as long as altitude is greater than 3000m. So seems it does just come down to lofting.

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2769

Yep, lack of loft + maybe some wierd behaviour at very low alt in that it wont maintain alt

2770

Did you try pitching up when you loosed the missile? It seems to be working for me.

2771

No, I didnt.

2772

Even at ~50m, pitching up as it comes off the rail seems to get it tracking fine without the dropping alt issue

2773

My friend and I tested the PGM-2000 in custom battles. When launching the PGM and dropping a dumb bomb simultaneously from a high altitude (about 7000 m), the bomb arrived about 4 seconds earlier.

2774

Yeah, manually lofting does work quite well, so the fix is definetly give them lofting code

2775

That actually kinda makes sense.

Assuming the bomb is dropping vertically and the PGM is coming in at an angle. (and not that the PGM was fired straight down) Then the bomb has less distance to cover, whilst the PGM does have a rocket motor, its not really a missile, but rather a powered glide bomb, the motor is just keeping it aloft

2776

Found extended launches at low alt still drop out the sky with manual lofting. But kind of didn’t expect a 25km launch to work out at 50m above sea level. Unless martel is more advanced than I am aware, which is entirely possible.

2777

Especially when their max range (iirc) is about 30km anyway when launched from about 7500ft I think. at least going by Flames bug report. But maybe Im misreading it

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Y5BrZ6gGHVXX

2778

Bug report reminds me that we’re stuck with a DL pod and none of the functionality that should facilitate.

2779

Yeah, whats funny is that I think… though could be entirely wrong… we should only be able to fire and guide one at a time. Not 3 like we can currently… :D

2780

An acceptable price if we got man in the loop.

2781

Yeah it would.

2782

Where my 60 scan zone?

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      "pitchStabLimit": 10.0,
      "rollStabLimit": 10.0,
      "period": 0.8,
      "width": 7.5,
      "barHeight": 1.5,
      "barsCount": 41,
      "rowMajor": false,
      "barsOneWay": false,
      "isSmoothMajor": true
    },
    "search360": {
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      "azimuthLimits": [
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        180.0
      ],
      "elevationLimits": [
        -10.0,
        90.0
      ],
      "yawStabLimit": 180.0,
      "pitchStabLimit": 10.0,
      "rollStabLimit": 10.0,
      "period": 1.0,
      "barHeight": 15.0,
      "barsCount": 1,
      "rowMajor": true,
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    },
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      "elevationLimits": [
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      ],
      "yawStabLimit": 180.0,
      "pitchStabLimit": 10.0,
      "rollStabLimit": 10.0,
      "period": 0.75,
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      "barHeight": 1.5,
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      "rowMajor": false,
      "centerElevation": 37.5

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And where custom and 120?
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