British bias

[An_Pigeon]

@БЕИ

I actually think one of the Chieftain can go down to 8.3, if they are going to leave some 8.7s material at 8.3, the ZTZ59D1

Nah neither chieftain has the right to see 7.3 tanks at all man. its got a fantastic dart, a what expert 8 second reload? reliable armour, while not super great like ti used to be, still decent.

@БЕИ

ZTZ59D1 has some of the worst gun handling in the game lol it can be worked on but will take you some time, c

hardly negates the fact of its decent mobility. ERA coverage, 105 MM APFSDS and a LRF all while 8.3 xD even the amx30B2s’ are higher. I have used all of them quite a lot TBF and I am aware the gun handling isnt great. but its certainly not bad enough to warrant 8.3

@БЕИ

tricky because you will keep running into situation where you have trouble pointing your crosshair at a moving target,

Never had an issue with that at all TBH. its still fully stabilised and turning the hull makes up for the slower turret traverse (which btw is what I think you are talking about as the gun handling is the elevation and lowering rates, which while sht aren’t too important most the time)

@БЕИ

and no turret basket, in some ways it is easier to do well at 10.3 than Leopard 2A4 at 10.7 lol so the addition of the basket has indirectly buff some vehicles of minor nations.

Its comparable to say the leopard 2av, however Im still needing ot spade the TTD and I wont even say its bad at all, its been pretty reliable the 2 or 3 games ive taken it out.

[An_Pigeon]

@БЕИ

The only thing I hate is the pole on top of the turret, it gives away my position when I peek over the hill lol all those stuff on the turret

Khalid also has one BTW the 9.3 tank like al light bulb above the tank xD

[MatrixRupture]

Yall forget that the Chieftains armour and engine power is lacking to compared to IRL.

Same with Fox and CVRT

[MotorolaCRO]

I don’t agree with you on Vickers but okay.

[An_Pigeon]

The mk3 is substantially better for its br.

Better apds, lrf, more mobile, more effective turret armour, slightly slower reload.

Theyre both good just the mk3 is better.

If the mk3 was russian it would be 8.7 😂

[Ahnkoo]

British 10.7 was such a fun line up, if they could only add NERA package to DS chally… that would help a bit… ending up constantly on 11.7 due to aircraft 13.0 shifts makes it now much harder to play

[Hannarr]

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[Hannarr]

@CodenameCrusade

Based on what? Kinetic ERA doing its job means it’s overperforming?

Only according to russia. I’m skeptical of their performance claims, actually i’m skeptical of anything russia claims. Western ERA’s have far less information about them available, yet gaijin gives them 5mm of kinetic protection, except the far bulkier AZUL and TES versions which get only 20 and 30mm respectively.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Hannarr

Base reload is the same.

M1 can reload in 5s while BVM is stuck at 6.5s. Handwaving this advantage is ridiculous.

@Hannarr

There’s a reason all the retards use the BVM in top tier, because it’s the easiest tank to use so far.

No it’s not.

[LegitRussianBias]

@Hannarr

actually i’m skeptical of anything russia claims. Western ERA’s have far less information about them available

Irony…

[luque13]

Russian ERA is great but the West have developed hard counters in anti ERA Darts…We just don’t have them modelled in game.

[An_Pigeon]

@Hannarr

Really, the M1 should have much better protection than the BVM, but that’s not the case. have i mentioned gaijin’s bias? Even without the ERA the protection is about the sam

Got a source for that ?

@Hannarr

Base reload is the same. But the BVM gets an autoloader which means is can reload while on fire, while the loader is dead and doesn’t get reload speed reductions, which isn’t nothing.

If you are top tier running a base crew, that isn’t even levelled slightly, then you are certainly going to suffer regardless of the tank.

@Hannarr

• The BVM gets much better gun elevation and depression speeds.

Yes but has half the depression, at top tier they are all ridiculously quick,

@Hannarr

The BVM has both a better top speed and a better power to weight ratio, even when compared the the lightest M1 variant you cite the BVM gets almost 2hp/ton more power. The M1 gets a much better reverse speed however.

• the abrams as I stated overall mobility puts it ahead of the T80BVM.

@Hannarr

The M1 only gets the M829A2 because gaijin can’t have russian or soviet gear looking realistic. it entered service 22 years before the 3BM60. however, also because of gaijin bais, the M1s also have dogshit armour. The 8.7% better penetration that the M829A2 has is more than negated by the massively superior armour of the BVM.

• M829A2 is the technically best round in teh game if the abrams had an L/55 caliber gun it would have higher pen than DM53.
  As well as this the M829A2 has over 30 more angled pen which is substantially more. And flat pen it has more than 8 percent higher penetration values last I checked.

@Hannarr

Even based on your own analysis i don’t see how you’re able to argue that the M1 is better. There’s a reason all the retards use the BVM in top tier, because it’s the easiest tank to use so far.

1 - dont use the term R for talking about people thats quite unsavoury of you especially here.

2 - The BVM is genuinely a worse tank that is why, it has one thing going for it , armour specifically that beats abrams.

3- There is but one BVM in the russian tree, which gives them one comparative top tier to the abrams and Leopards… there are five abrams at top tier which are near identical

[Magikッ]

Your reputation is ruined already. Best to delete your forums account because you’re going to be ridiculed everywhere you go.

[CodenameCrusade]

Anti-ERA tips only worked against early kinetic ERA such as Kontakt-5. Relikt is a dual-action ERA (has two thick flier plates) which negates the anti-ERA tip entirely.

[CodenameCrusade]

Only according to Russia? Per the Bundestag report from 4/12/2020, DM63 fired from the 120mm L/55 is inadequate to engage Relikt-equipped MBTs. This is why KE2020Neo became a thing.

If we want to go by Russian manufacturer claims, then NII Stali (the institute which developed Relikt) claims it can reduce over 50% of the M829A2 and M829A3 penetration capability.

[luque13]

Sorry I just dont believe that, we have seen Relikt on T-90M and T-80BVM fail to protect the tank from threats well within their proposed protection levels.
I cant share images but you will have seen them. Be it ATGMs/Drones or even Darts

If sandwiching 2 plates of steel between a charge was so effective everyone would do it.

[poopooo]

It has always seemed curious to me that Western countries have stopped designing ERA armor that protects against KE. The only cases that come to mind would be the Israeli Super Blazer, and the French Brenus, which provides almost the same protection as the Kontakt 5.