God i want Royal Oak
Nice, though i do need to test the standards sometime. I’m noticing when the shells in the barbette turn yellow so do the ones in the magazines.
If theyre modeled as one module instead of seperate it explains why their shell room explosions are so comical compared to other ships.
What shells does Rodney have?
Big ones
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Damn , I want Warpite. Still big hopium for her
Im glad we’ve gotten Rodney first. Gives something actually different in playstyle to the 15" slingers we’ve had thus far, but yeah, WW2 refit QE ASAP will be great.
To my understanding the standards have the same issue that allows Hood to one salvo Scharnhorst through the turret/barbette. Basically that there doesn’t seem to be any kind of anti flash or even serious internal structure modeled in the barbette, allowing explosions quite high in them to damage or destroy the magazines. Not sure about how historical the way this is working currently is, but it at least shouldn’t carry on to the American fast battleships as from looking at the turret diagrams navweaps hosts they appear to have something similar to the fragmentation armor inside the barbette found on Alaska, which protects the magazines from shell and shell room detonation quite well.
Pretty sure the premium ships or other ships in that part of tech tree have better AA than regular tree ships
The best aa the British have atm is renown
I have ordered a book to confirm which should detail this refit but from what I can tell this is correct:
No, the UK does not use barbette storage for various reasons.
But to interpret what HK sent to you, the Nelsons like all UK battleships have very thick belts, that are relatively deep and have several layers of improvised armour behind them. They also all have exceptionally deep magazines.
Rodney in particular as shown here has a very low magazine, with layers of machinery and oil fuel between it. She may end up being even harder to detonate than Hood is in-game which is quite the achievement.
Sounds plausible but I’m not too knowledgeable on game mechanics. However for Nelson this shouldn’t be the case at all. Nelson’s main downside is her relatively poor reload rate, this is largely due to the excessive amount of of flash tightness/locking mechanisms between her flashtight compartments with thick separations between flashtight areas.
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This reminds me, I need help finding sources to get the reload down to hopefully around 30 seconds, so far I can only prove down to 35 seconds due to the reloading cycle only being longer when shells were fired at intervals as the whole turret had to be reloaded simultaneously, you couldn’t just reload individual guns due to the flashtight compartments.
So 35 may be the best we get, but I believe 30 should be possible and would make Rodney solidly the best ship in-game.
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Do you know if they accept after action reports as that may help you
It only ever used 1 shell AP MK.1B. Relatively light shell at a high(er) velocity, not a particularly great round but it should be an improvement over the current shell found on Hood so its irrelevant as that shell has more than enough penetration. It does also lose HE filler due to this though at ‘only’ 23.4kg which is only 3kg more than the 15" projectiles for an extra inch of diamters.
It is however firmly an AP projectile and 6/infinity crh so should be APCBC.
I still think a modernised QE would have been a more conservative and better pick for overall game health. However not much is able of standing up to Rodney and Nelson in a pure 1v1 particularly if they get their reloads buffed to 30-35 seconds. So for us it is a victory, everyone else? Not so much.
Belfast might also have the best AA of her broad class iirc, as well as the best armour and tied most main guns with southhampton (who she beats on AA and armour).
Rodney is not going to be changing this I would mention, the 6" guns will be very potent cruiser/destroyer killers and more than good enough vs aircraft, but they aren’t 5"/38s, they aren’t 4.5" DP’s and they aren’t 5.25" DP’s so don’t expect them to be like having a Daring or Dido strapped to your super structure, I believe they are closer to the 6" on Enterprise, but should have HE-VT I think?
The 4.7" single AA guns are also essentially not worth mentioning and serve better as Anti-surface weaponry than any credible AA gun, I don’t actually know why they put them on.
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Not sure but probably worth it as a secondary source, to be fair I plan to basically fling ‘sh*t’ and see what sticks.
If its an official report it should be considered primary source.
Going from HMS Southhampton in her 1940 configuration, Rodney should feature HE-VT if she is 1940 or onwards, the same shells assigned to the British town class cruisers were assigned to Nelson and Rodney as a secondary battery.
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Well you are forgetting the renown can’t have he-vt as that would be to much for all the planes. I also hope they model the radar and give it the speed she reached irl not the design speed of 23 knots
Yes but Rodneys 6" DP’s are significantly worse in an AA role than Renowns 4.5" DP’s. So I hope to see her with HE-VT even though I don’t buy the excuse for Renown given Alaska has a Moffet strapped to it with HE-VT.
Radar should also be modelled and I wish to see Rodney with her 25 knots overload speed but that might not be realised as to be fair, she only went that fast as they were planning on replacing her machinery immediately afterwards. (I believe 25.4 is the theoretical figure).
Well the thing was she was on the way to have her machinery replaced in America so I think it is perfectly fair to give her a 25 knot speed given she might have been able to reach that with less effort when she was brand new
I’m aware of the British fondness for flash protection, I was just answering his question about the standards. As far as I can see in protection analysis it isn’t an issue on any current British top tier, so I doubt it becomes one now even if only on the basis of distance since I am wondering if this is a bug or model issue. From in game performance and protection analysis it almost seems like the barbette on certain ships is being treated like it’s completely hollow in certain areas. I’ve killed Scharnhorst recently with hits entirely localized to the forward turret above the barbette, and in protection analysis any hit on Tennessee’s barbette with Hood’s shells roughly near the shells transfers large amounts of damage to the magazine, despite there being a fair amount of intervening structure irl and this not being an issue in protection analysis testing on Nevada as far as I’ve seen.
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Still, that would be the first 6crh shell Britain ever gets in this game, although the 15" 6crh should have been introduced when Renown came to the game over a year ago.
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