https://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/r-73e/
From the maneufacturer catalog.
The 40km for the R73M/R74M:
https://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/rvv-md/
And finally 50km for the R-74M2:
https://ktrv.ru/production/voennaya_produktsiya/rakety_klassa_-vozdukh-vozdukh/raketa_rvv-md2.html
A newspaper i read said 25KM when ground launched. The missile should definitely be hitting at least 50km when launched at mach 1.
I swear to god if that missile doesn’t get at least 200km range (not that it will matter on these maps plus that would be genuinely hideous now that I think about it). But out of principle, I want it to have its true range.
Although I honestly reckon they stick us all with AMRAAM C-5 or some sort of C variant and limit the soviet bloc similarly.
Probably mistaking it with the CAMM:
Which indeed has 25km range but is also:
-11kg heavier
-30cm longuer
-more aerodynamic (conical nose cone vs rounded one)
-using soft launch so wasting less fuel to turn initialy
So i think that the 10 miles figures (= 16km) is more logical considering the weight and characteistic of the missile.
If a missile has 25km when ground launched , you can expect around 100km max range when air launch at high altitude, high speed (for reference the AIM-120C5 has 25km max range when launched from the NASAMS and 105km max range when air launched)
Yeah I found that newspaper, it says at least 10km and other sources suggest roughly 15km.
Yea supposedly missiles lose circa 70% of their effective range when ground launched without VLS.
15 divided by 30 is 0.5 multiply that by 100 and it gives you 50, so i’d say 50km effective range is about right. Although from higher altitudes and speeds it might be higher. This is like napkin math though.
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I’ve read all of your source and none state a new/improved motor.
I missunderstood the GOS thing from Leonardo, though it was some kind of inertial navigation but it’s more of a seeker thing?
If it’s a seeker thing then the new seeker is manufactured in Bolton, England
The first seeker was made by BAE but if you say the new one is made by Leonardo then it’s an interesting information since i didn’t see it anywhere.
Well yes but what is this answering to?
This napkin math doesn’t work unforntunatly (i’ve tried to done it myself but the result are often far off). The max range between ground launched and air launch isn’t a linear relation between all missile.
VLS is actually reducing the maximum range of a ground launch missile since the missile has to turn toward the target and loses lot of energy doing so. A missile launched from a rotating platform has more range since the missile is already pointing the target (or at least the general direction).
The advantages of VLS is 360’s protection (or at least quicker to shoot at 2 target coming 180° from each other) and better minimal range to protect the sam if some target get though.
If you would apply your 70% range, then the max range would be :
IRIS-T would be 33km (10km when ground launched(VLS)) / Compared to the 25km max range
AIM-9X Block 2 would be 50km (15km when ground launched) / Compared to the 40km max range
Python 5 would be 50km (15km when ground launched(VLS))/ Compared to the 40km max range
Derby would be 73km (20km when ground launched(VLS))/ Compared to the 70km max range
I-DERBY ER would be 133km (40km when ground launched(VLS))/ Compared to the 100+km max range
ASRAAM would be 53km (16km when ground launched)/ Compared to the 50km max range
MICA IR would be 60km (18km when ground launched(VLS))/ Compared to the 60km max range
MICA EM would be 73+km (20+km when ground launched(VLS))/ Compared to the 80km max range
MICA NG would be 133km (40km when ground launched(VLS))/ Compared to the 130km max range
R-77 would be 40km (12km when ground launched)/ Compared to the 80km max range
AIM-120A/B/C would be 50-73km (15-20km when ground launched)/ Compared to the 75km max range
AIM-120C5 would be 83km (25km when ground launched)/ Compared to the 105km max range
AIM-120C7 would be 100km (30km when ground launched)/ Compared to the 120km max range
As you can see :
Some anomaly sutch as the R-77.
Indeed the missile is really optimised as a high speed high altitude BVR missile. It has lattice fins which are great at supersonic speed to have a tight turning circle and reduce drag, but it has increased drag at transonic speed (0.8<Mach<1.3). Since a ground launched missile is going to go though all of that transonic region and the fact that the missile doesn’t loft, it’s range is GREATLY reduced when ground launched.
It’s absolutly not “effective range” but it’s really max theorical range if everything is in perfect condition.
That 50km shot will be only obtainable versus a Mach 2 Cooperative target going straight at you at 12km altitude while you’re also doing Mach 2 at 12km.
For reference, the AIM-9L has a 18km max range, but you’ll never see a shot done at 18km connect.
To represent yourself the ASRAAM range wise , you can just tell yourself that the range is around 2.75 times the range of the AIM-9L. So you should be able to do 5km rear aspect shot at sea level and 12km rear aspect shot at 12Km altitude and probably up to 20km front aspect at sea level and 30/40km at front aspect high altitude against a figther. You can even shoot behind your own plane at up to 5km at “low alt”
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no, India deserves its own TT like Israel
Unlikely
I mean there is already two Indian vehicles in the British tree, if I was a betting man I would hazard a guess that’s going to continue. (speculation I don’t know anything official)
So some sort of mirage or domestic Indian aircraft cause i think the mig29k is a bit much
When they ask where to put the Su-30MKI you tell them anywhere BUT the UK.
If our top tier in December is just a Mig-29, then Im going to be pissed.
From what I’ve heard the plan for indian vehicles was to distribute them among all trees to fill gaps if the need arises
Ill be happy makes USSR mains mad and get a sexy aircraft
Lol, I would be too. This FM still needs help, and only two large hardpoints makes things difficult if you’re an aggressive flyer.
That just means we’ll get an Indian light tank around 8.3-9.3
We already have the Rooikats and the Vickers tho, are those not light tanks?
Not really the point, I would hate it even if it was the most OP jet in the game (though being on the British TT, you can guarantee it would have R-60s and R-27Rs and nothing else at 12.7)
The point is, it does not fit, would be so completely random and different. F-18 or Gripen at least somewhat fit with the rest of the TT.