Maybe its just me, but I’m performing much better in the Tornado. The Phantoms has a comparatively low flare count, weaker Skyflashes, AIM-9Gs and a worse radar.
I honestly prefer the Tornados flight model, but I can see how it would be a turn off to the point of off-setting the improvements the Tornado offers over the Phantoms
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Same here
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I am prepared to be disappointed, watching the US and Russia get their beloved F-15s and Su-27s to hunt down our poor British tornado :(
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It would be very typical for gaijin to add F-15s and Su-27s already, but I actually don’t see them getting added in december
The only upside to this is I get closer to the Chinese top-tier now too, so when the Su-27 and the J-11 get released, I’ll be able to unlock and use both!
I provided data on the weapon available on the TEJAS MK1.
From what i saw, the Tejas only equiped the base version of the R-77 missile.
So that’s why i putted it on the comparaison.
I was wrong about the R-73, indeed it equip the R-73M.
True but the TEJAS never equiped it.
Indian never bougth the R-77-1, only the base R-77
So for the R-73M we’ve got:
Max range: 40km
Max maneuvrability : 60G with TVC
Seeker: MK-80M with 2-element. 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 75° Gimbal limit after launch.
A test launch at mach .6 at 7600m hitting a target approaching mach .8 and 3050m 28km away .(Up to 15km when ground launched).
For more information:
Or you can ask ofekk213 who is a specialist on Israeli stuff and missile.
“In excess of 25km” is clearly stated on the website.
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Ask Fireball_2020 for more info or source of this image
They said the British phantoms were performing satisfactorily. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are performing equal to the American phantoms.
They never comment on why the British premium phantom is made so much worse than the American, whilst being the same price and BR. You think they could buff the Skyflash or something to compensate.
I would temper your expectations. I think Sea Harrier/Tornado CSP is basically guaranteed.
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So, what you are trying to tell me is that gaijin is gonna reduce the F-4J and F-4S to 11.0
Haha, that’s more likely than the British ones going down I guess.
If their statistical analysis model can take two premium jets, where one is clearly superior on paper, and say that they are equal, then there is something clearly wrong with the model. 7Fs are better than Skyflash in virtually every meaningful aspect. Then there is the fact they can carry six, and their IR missile is better.
I can’t imagine how depressing it will be using a Tornado at 12.3+ with zero a2g capability.
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I’m personally on the South African Gripen cope train, but out of the two mentioned Tornado CSP would be the far, FAR more preferable option. Sea Harrier would just be awful. If it was the introductory vehicle for AMRAAMs it might have had one patch of relevance, but we know AMRAAMs and similar missiles will be rolled out at the same time for every nation.
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i would love gripen but if britian gets something mid ill just die
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More than 25 does not mean 50 km …
- It is always necessary to specify the modification of the rocket-Australia has been using them since 2004-the rocket variant is important…
In September 2015, the British Ministry of Defense allocated 300 million pounds to create a new improved version of ASRAAM, which should replace the currently used missiles from 2022. The result of the work was the appearance of ASRAAM Block 6 (according to some sources, deliveries began in 2017). The new modification is distinguished by a more powerful RCTT, a new GOS from Leonardo, a new signal processing system and a non-contact laser fuse, the introduction of a number of systems and mechanisms from the CAMM anti-aircraft missile. ASRAAM Block 6 (also called ASRAAM 2 block 6) allows you to attack targets at a distance of up to 35-40 km (according to other sources up to 50 km) and has already interested the armed forces of a number of countries, including Indian ones. - Rocket RVV-AE (R-77E)-not produced since 2010 under this name, India could get an export version of the R-77-1 …
3 The R-73 rocket is also not produced-- with the new GOS, theoretically it can be produced on Ukraine-but if India chooses Russian missiles, then this there will be a P-74 export version … - I will clarify about Python-5 at the Israeli forum …
Most experts agree ASRAAM air launched range is likely around 40-50 KM, the manufacturer says in excess of 50km primarily for the obvious tactical reasons you’d expect, it also functions as a range extender for the IRST.
although we might as well temper our expectations of it as despite the fact that it should be a better R27ET, it will probably be the worst top tier IR missile, using the official public figures its range would only be 5km above that of IRIS-T and AIM-9X making it nearly useless as IRIS-T had DIRCM AND Thrust vectoring.
So i’m sure Gaijin will have it pull half as hard, with just 20% more range, which on short range IR missiles, is not that much.
If we don’t get a decent fighter i’m pretty done, we will also have one of the worse versions of Eurofighter wvr due to ASRAAM having less pull than IRIS-T and the manufacturer officially only states that it has 5km more range that IRIS-T and AIM-9X, so that makes it near worthless. In BVR Italy’s Tranche 4 will be as good, whilst also using IRIS-T so Italy will have the best Eurofighter, particularly if they give Germany and Italy Brimstone.
We know Gaijin they won’t give it the estimated 50km of range.
The other option could possibly be P3I ASRAAM to compete with BLK 1 AIM-9X but I can’t find anything saying it was actually built, but if it was it used a universal ASRAAM mount so British aircraft could’ve used it if it had served a purpose doctrinally.
It’s still a larger missile with more propellant.
I see at least F-15 cause its BR has been here for two major updates now and Japan needs its only option.
Oh yeah, by all rights it should have a higher range simply based on its design, like Meteor vs AMRAAM, but nothing is public, and we know Gaijin will not give us the 50km it should have, instead they will point to the manufacturer’s 25km range and go with it.
It will be fun when they put the Meteor at 100km max range because the French Air force said so. (While the AIm-120C5, a 2000’s missile with old tech will be doing 105km).
Tbf, the only true data we got for Fox 2 missile range is mostly for ground launched variant.
I guess that’s how they calculate their thrust and drag.
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We know that MICA EM can go up to 11km high and 20km far when ground launched and it managed to shoot down a drone 67km away. The MICA IR is a bit less aerodynamic and a 20% reduction figure is often stated but no primary source. There’s also the “Managed to shoot down a target behind the fighter at a range in excess of the MAGIC 2” which could kind of be verified in game (no altitude given).
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The IRIS-T SLS is stated as 10km max range when launched vertically and 12km when launched sideways. Dielh (the maneufacterers) said 25Km max range on their website.
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The AIM-9X has no max range figure given anywhere. The only values we get is from third party, we know it has better aerodynamics than the 9M but only a small evolution in motor tech (the same MK36 but probably with small incremental upgrade over time). The Block 1 is 30km max range (supposedly) while the Block 2 is 40km max range (supposedly) and 15km when ground launched (supposedly).
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The ASRAAM has the “In excess of 25km range” figure and multiple report on the 50km max range. While they’ve been no official statement in regards to its true max range, since the body is larger than IRIS-T/9X(more thurst)and sleeker than other FOX 2 (less drag) we can expect better range nonetheless. There’s also the “Managed to shoot down a target behind the fighter at a range in excess of 5km at low altitude” which is really impressive and that it should have (supposedly) around 16km max range when ground launched.
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The PYTHON 5 also has no stated max range but estimate put it around 40km. When ground launched the Python 5 has 15km max range. (Supposedly) A test launch at mach .6 at 7600m hitting a target approaching mach .8 and 3050m 28km away . If true then it would be easy to recreate to get the “true” missile performance.
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The R-73/74 family has their max range proudly annonced by the maker of the missile (namely 30km for the R-73/R-74/ 40km for the R-73M/R-74M/ 50km for the R-74M2)
Just a reminder the AIM-9L/M that everyone knows has 18km max range so you can compare it to other missile max range if you really want.
(And know that the ASRAAM/PYTHON 5/MICA IR/AIM-9X BLOCK2 are managing their max range while lofting so a direct comparaison to the AIM-9L/M is not the best)
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Does Russia really claim 30km range?
What is your source, from i found about the ASRAAM Block 6 upgrade are those:
- No ITAR component (for ez export)
- New build it cryogenic cooling for easier maintenace and use
- Better seeker with highter resolution than the one on the Block 1
I’ve seen nowhere the new GOS from Leonardo and the new RCTT motor (isn’t it RDTT by the way, never heared of the RCTT)