Bring F15C GE & F18E down to 14.0

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What is F15C GE and F18E doing up there at 14.3 with Rafale, Eurofighter, and Su30SM2? They can’t compete at all. Worse in essentially every aspect compared to the top dogs at 14.3 right now. F15C GE should come down for the longest time ever but now F18E joins in on DOA lol.

Not to mention how the hell is the Grippen E sitting at 14.0, lower than F18E while surpassing it in every aspect except missile count, which is very minor.

Either raise max BR for ARB and raise the BR for Rafale, Su30SM2, and Eurofighter up or bring the F15C GE and F18E down. Compression is happening again.

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I agree, although I’d prefer them just moving the AESA EFT/Rafale/Su-30SM2 to 14.7 (at minimum) and move the Gripen E to 14.3.

Gripen E has no business being at the same BR as the F-16I.

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yea Grippen E sitting below F18E is hilarious

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It’s Gripen, not Grippen. But anyway, yeah it’s a mess that the Gripen E is at a lower BR than the Super Hornet.

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We need far more decomp in general like 15.0 or more but this is a good start

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With F-15C GE getting its 12 missile loadout, there’s no real argument for 14.0 anymore.

F-18E still performs well subsonic, which allows it to be good at lower altitudes.
So that’s the playstyle you have to use with the F-18E.

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it bleeds way too much speed and even then u will still lose to rafale and Eurofighter in a dog fight, f18 isnt that good to begin with, i never liked playing it and im definitely going to skip F18E, what a DOA.

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well it’s hilarious to see F/A-18 and F/A-18C early to be at thier current BR too,…
i don’t see anyone battling for it though,…

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You’re not obligated to pull 100% all of the time.
STR and speed bleed are two different terms that mean the same thing.
How much turn you can do while sustaining your speed.
F-18E did it better than Su-30SM2 sub-sonic on dev.

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I don’t play USA but the swiss f18 makes me weep for the americans. +1. Best of luck!

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Only thing that can save 14.3 US is F15EX

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yea its just that US is stuck with 4th gen aircraft while everyone else is getting 4.5 gen at the same BR, not even a fair fight

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idk what to tell u man, f18 kinda suck. Turning is what it does best and it still lose in a turn fight. F18E needs to come down to 13.7 - 14.0 to even be remotely competitive.

F18c is hella mid already but its not nearly as bad as the current state of the F18E.

But I think the general issue is due to compression and they need to raise max BR and bring Rafale, Eurofighter, and Su30SM2 up.

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F-18C is mid, as in it’s average among flight performance.
It’s as good as Su-27SM and J-11B in subsonic flight performance.

Which is not as good as F-2A, Rafale, or Typhoon, but better than the other Flankers and F-15s.

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I dont like the way you think,
Next update I hope F15C GE will get 20 missile loadout and bring it up 15.0.
Giving it more missiles instead of bringing it down to 14.0 is being stubborn.
The problem with the F15C GE is its inability to use its weapons effectively, not because it lacks missiles. My F18C has an unchanging record regardless of the number of missiles I use; even with 100 missiles, I wouldn’t have a good position to use them.

The only reason to need so many missiles is the potential for early-game spamming (most of the time it won’t hit anything), but even so, the F15C GE and F18E are incapable of doing that because they aren’t fast enough to launch an early barrage. More simplistically, if it were me, I still wouldn’t use the F15C GE’s 12 missile hardpoints because it just makes me heavier. I think it’s better because I’m always playing defensively.

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What will that even do? Give more missile and maws that’s it?. The main issue it the AMRAAMS. If they fix it maybe it would be on par with current stuff. Also it would still have lower scan area than current planes in game

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The F18E radar with a +100-degree elevation angle still requires the TRK mode to function properly. My assessment is that this aircraft might be better suited for the ARB BR 14.0, and let f18c goto ARB BR 13.7

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After playing with the F18C, I don’t want to touch the F18E and F15C GE anymore. My God, the F18 is a pain in the ass when playing top tier. It can only do one thing: fly low. I have no choice, and even that’s the only thing it can do, it’s not good enough to give it any advantage against other aircraft.

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In fact, I feel that currently the F18E is still one level weaker than the F15GE in ARB, it seems like giving the F18E better missiles (such as C-7?) and reducing its ARB BR would be a good idea.

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