Next we can expect the tiger II (105) and the panther II. God help us.
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what about if idgaf, coelian at least had a metal chassis, that’s more than we can say for the Ho-Ri, also, read forum guidelines, criticize ideas, not people, be kind to other community members, furthermore, your post should contribute to the topic, have a great day:)
See item 1… preferably before another 5 months have passed.
Sure these are “fake” in the general way that none of them were completed. My grandfather had declining health when i started this game and i was only at the tiger 1 and had no ability to get them. They were added for people to get for free through the standard tech tree and could be brought back like they do the maus or something.
I want to be able to enjoy these tanks like so many have been able too. all vehicles in this game have been available to either grind in the trees, complete in events, buy in marketplace, and get through bp chests. Why are these tanks locked away to only those who got them originally.
Now how could they bring them back? I have 2 ideas that i would love some input on even though this is a dead discussion.
- Bring it back like they do the maus. This would give people at the proper rank the ability to put at least 1 rp into them before the event goes away and they can complete the rp at any time.
- Do a victory day event or german army day or whatever its called. This would be like getting the profile icons where you complete a set of “difficult” challenges.
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Yes, i agree.
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It would be so nice if gaijin brought back at least Coelian and the chinese Pt-76.
These two are harmless vehicles to the balancing of the game.
They’re also very fun to play. We need the back in the game.
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Flakpanzer 341 being one of the most OP vehicles since the APHE shell was added, lol. Only reason people aren’t more up in arms about it is that it’s limited in number. It is very fun to play, though.
You need to pump that winrate up. With the 7.0 lineup, I wanna see you well above 50%.
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Lean to deal with it or cope with it or whatever. Watch your flanks I don’t know because no one cares.
I just want the damn thing to maybe have a chance against aircrafts.
ZSU-57-2 exists, PT-76-57 exists and that thing is far more powerful than a non-reversing medium chassis of panther and it gets dealt with.
Who cares if it serves the roll of also protecting itself and can punish those who can only do 2 things, hold W and press Esc return to hangar. The game is about positioning, not cope crying.
You don’t even have it. It’s my most used vehicle. PT-76-57 is 8.3. ZSU-57-2 is Flakpanzer food.
Look up people before you comment. Enjoy some game footage.
PS: Flakpanzer deletes heavies from the front, you don’t even need to flank.
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agree
Yeah no shit.
What for? To see how pathetic their stats are?
You don’t get it at all.
GOOD, I wanna have it more now.
Get what at all? You trying to lecture me on a vehicle you’ve never used and I know more than you ever will? I simply said that freely making the Flakpanzer 341 available to all would not be harmless in regards to balancing. APHE is overperforming like crazy, and it takes full advantage of it.
You don’t care, though. You missed out on a vehicle and that’s all you can think about. Too bad.
Edit: lol nice report.
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aphe is OP in this game, gaijin tried to change it to its more ,realistic" performance but people denied it because they were afraid of tanks being actual tanks and harder to kill unless you went straight for the ammo
People only want it back because it is a nuke printer now if you use it well
you have a weaker coelian at 5.7 being the ostwin II, its APHE pen went from 48mm up to 53mm for some reason so go ahead and have fun with that
I still don’t get the special treatment of Germany with the removal of the three tanks. The whole game is full of ship-, plane- and vehicle projects, which were never adopted. Some never fully built. Some total paper and brochure projects.
Its totally not understandable that they singled our just three German vehicles, while the rest still flies, swims or drives.
Its just not fair. Either all or nothing. This anti Ger bias is a thing sometimes.
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Germany could also get the ZSU-57-2. Its a 150mm penetration APHE @ two barreled autocannon at a lower BR and more mobile chassis. Gajin could fix the glaring lack of powerful german TT autocannon vehicles with jus this one.
Players love to spawn this thing for a reason. While German players just have the Wiesel and Puma recon tank with 65mm pen, which isn’t even enough to pen the rear of most tanks at pb range.
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This isn’t anti-German bias tho? The R2Y2s have been removed and the Ho-Ri are going to be removed. Germany still has a lot of projects in their tree which haven’t been slated for removal, mostly because the Tiger 10,5 cm and the Panther II were both utterly egregious examples of fictional vehicles. The only remaining fully fictional vehicles are the M1KVT, which is only visually fictional rather than functionally, and a few assorted tanks that nations didn’t use (i.e. Chinese T-34-76 which should be a North Korean one, Taiwanese M36 which should be a M36B2).
Germany still has the largest share of project vehicles still attainable in-game, even. Me 264, Ho 229 V3, Ar 234 C-3, BV 238, Panther Ausf. F, Tiger II Sla.16, RadPz 90, VS 10, Z 15, Z46, Z 47, Z51, Z 52, SMS Ersatz Yorck, SMS Sachsen, Gneisenau – all vehicles that were either never finished in real life or have armaments that they never intended to receive.
youre right. remove ostwind 2
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I think you are unknowingly on the wrong side of the argument.
We’re not trying to push the narrative into removing more vehicles that are already available to everyone in the game, we’re trying to completely avoid it.
We want to have access to everything the game has. Some people have unique vehicles on their accounts that were once available to everyone so they have better lineups, but those are not the majority of people playing war thunder.
We actually want those removed vehicles to come back and be researchable so we can play and enjoy them. It is very frustrating, knowing that some of the community has access to stuff no one new will ever get to use. I missed all these wonderful removed german stuff by mere 1 or 2 years.
I can’t play them but these days I see them a lot, I want a share of that pie as well.
Those vehicles are not much of a problem imo since well they are not completely fictional.
Coelian is basically a panther equipped with aa guns, panther II is also a panther. King Tiger 105 I suppose is a modified Tiger II.
The rest of us who don’t have them, want them.
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The Panther II and Tiger 10,5 cm are literally fictional.
The 10,5 cm can’t fit in the Tiger II turret and this idea never passed the drawing stage as a result due to how much redesign it would require just to fit it within the turret.
The Panther II, as it in-game, is utterly fictional. It is a Franktenstein of four different projects combined into one egregious tank on par with the abominations made by Wargaming. It has the Panther II hull, with the 900 hp engine and 8-speed transmission it never received; it has the Ausf. F Schmalturm, which was developed after the Panther II had been cancelled; it has the 8,8 cm Kw. K. 43, which not only can not fit within the Schmalturm but also was never planned as an upgrade in the Panther II project; and it has a FG 1250 night vision device, which was, again, developed after the Panther II had already been cancelled and was only ever installed on latewar Panther Ausf. G.
Neither of them should be added back, and that’s coming from someone that doesn’t have any of the removed tanks.
Edit: My response to @Thodin was also pointing out that the “special treatment” isn’t there.