mig21 with 2 R-60s is worse than you with 2 magic 1s.
mig23 is also a much higher br anway… why is this being brought up
it also has a trash FM unlike the A5C
same issue
not true, the same BR mig-21s get regular r-60s that are much worse than your magic 1s and their FM’s kinda need the 4-6 missiles as they rely heavily on them
how is a r60 so much worse then a magic 1, one is all aspect the other rear only, sure the magic is faster and can pull more gs, but that is entirely irrelevant cause any plane that drops 1 flare on accident will be 100% unharmed by this so much better missile and dont start with the flareless planes again, it doesnt matter if a mig21 smt doesnt get flares if it can just run away as soon as it sees me going in its direction, or just aviod me by not showing its rear and thus making the missilel entirely unusable
Gaijin put it up during “decompression” and forgot to bring it back down once the J-7D went down.
Yes really, a slightly worse MiG-19 with 2 30G missiles and flares has no place fighting 9.3s, period. If the A-5C and other similar jets get bodied that badly, then maybe some of the jets around it need to get moved up in BR instead.
yeah but there is no similar jet, the most similar jet is the q5 at 9.3 which just doesnt get missiles, magic 1s just arent enough to justify a 1.3 br increase when most stuff you see can just ignore the reason for this 1.3 br increase by pressing 1 button once
in terms of flight characteristics
because the r60 is rear aspect only?
R60 is the same way? But far more susceptible because its slower?
its why you are not at a lower BR partially
??? not even what im talking about, 21smt does have flares
In a more decompressed game, sure! This game is not decompressed, and exactly what I am saying here is that under the current rules of compression the A-5C would be 10.3 if not for the fact it bombs bases.
you cannot make any argument that would make sense regarding this seeing flareless jets
And if you downtier it then most of what it can see doesn’t have that magic button, and has zero defence against a 30G magic. I’d rather one plane has a harder time than ruin an entire battle rating.
Not a good reason to downtier it. Your argument is “the BRs are already compressed so lets compress it more to make my vehicle more fun to play”. No.
While I have been trying to spade my Jaguar I have been getting paired with a lot of A-5Cs they will have fire bombs equipped and will out race most aircraft that take heavier loads because they don’t have firebombs. This leaves them with achiveing multiple base kills with little competition.
Not true at all rofl you can actually outrun a F-5C ( or catch up to ) at any altitude and have waaaay better missiles than it with flares and chaff… No you cant 1 circle an aircraft literally designed for that purpose nor should you expect to… But you still have ways to fight him and defend againts him BnZ isnt glamouris dogfight but it is more efficient than rate fighting
I think it’s completely out of place and the one aircraft I understand BR placement the least:
Usually attackers get better AAM’s earlier than fighters, but in this case the Magic 1 gets introduced already 2 BR steps earlier on a dedicated fighter (French Crusader).
I see not a single aspect where the A-5C is par to - let alone better - than any other 10.7 attacker.
It can carry 4 fire bombs allowing it to race to the bases quicker than other attackers at the br allowing for it to grab high amounts of RP. That high RP amd SL gain from a signal takeoff will drag it’s BR to where it is.
It is a mig19 modification. That means it is still a very capable dogfighter, with incredible acceleration and amazing energy retention for 10.7, only the J7E can dominate it in a dogfight, not any other jet from 10.0-11.7 can match it.
It has magic 1’s which are one of the best non IRCCM missiles.
It has a very light napalm bomb loadout capable of killing 2 bases.
Did you ever play with a5c? His dogfighter capacity doesn’t even come close to what mig19 is capable of doing
I have an AirRB 9 kill streak with the A-5C, so yes I played with it.
Mig19 is a bit better since its lighter, but it also is 9.3, and the A-5C could just not engage with it and just send a missile when the opportunity arises to a flareless mig19.
The meteor mk3 would crush the gripen in a dogfight, doest not mean the meteor mk3 deserves to go up in BR
At it’s BR i have seen 1 fire bomb per base destory each base.
Each napalm does about 52% damage to a base so you always need 2
I am fairly certain I saw a A-5C killing 4 bases with his run. Maybe I missed a second A-5 following him up with a second bomb I will have to recheck. Shouldn’t be too hard for me to find I gave up grinding the Jaguar cause of A-5Cs killing all the bases.