I think by now everyone sees that leo 2 tanks dominate the 10 -10.3br bracket fights, these tanks should be given dm33 or dm43 rounds and pushed to 11.0 br just as it happened to the M1a1 and IPM1 tanks.
The rest of the vehicles at this br such as the m60 American tanks, T-72 version tanks are completely run over by significantly faster and more responsive leo 2 tanks. They have characteristics of top tier tanks, vertical guidance, turret rotation, mobility, This makes it extremely hard for other tanks to reach palces on maps that can give thema a potential advantage over the leo2 tanks becuase of their much slower engines and less responsive tanks.
10.3 is a significantly worse BR than 10.0, so even those its only a .3 jump its massive in terms of MM.
Yes it is a significant jump but, the M1a1 and the IPM1 had the same jump as well. The 11.0br should include the following tanks taking part in battles (T-80bv, U, Uk, M1a1, IPM1, 2a4s with improved rounds dm43).
This is significantly more balanced than having leo2a4s vs M60s, T-72s, T-64s, trolly 2s38 and the significantly less mobile and responsive UD version tank. 3bm42 seems to bounce of the frontal plate of 2a4s way more than any other round.
serious skill issue, u want a soviet leopard with a lower br get the 2s25m, is even bettar than the pz123, u want a lol tank get the bmp2, that thing eats leos for breakfast.
Its not my soviet line up that I am worried about. Its the American 10.br that I have, they cant compete with the leo 2a4s. I dont own the KVT, but have the premium M60. Second of all the bmp2m does not eat leos for breakfast it only does that if the leos are engaging some one lese. Sort of coming in from behind the scene and emptying your mini sabots at once. I have had so many korrnet frontal hits with very little internal damage happening to the premium leos. Reason behind it, is that they have significantly more trolliness than the regular 2a4.
Plus in most games germans are flanked by swedes and the cv90s do deal quiet nicely with the bmp2s.
You have to think a bit further though. If the leopard 2A4 is at 11.3, what vehicle should replace its gap at the 10 BR region? The linup there is incomplete then.
That is exactly what I was also thinking about, the loe 2k should get a dm33 round and get moved to 10.0br. There should be tech tree 2av version tank as well as the other 5.second reload leo2 premium tank. A version of it should be added to the tech tree as well. Those tanks don’t have the frontal or turret armor to deflect and absorb lower end rounds nor do they have thermals, which will offset their quick maneuverability and responsiveness.
The reload of the Leo 2 (5 second or 4 don’t remember) should be bumped up to at least 5.5 seconds. This would be a fair trade.
I am talking about 11.0br change not 11.3 for 2a4s
So let me get this straight.
You are complaining about the M60 being bad and not as good as the leopard.
When the M60 was an event vehicle and isnt even a real premium.
Thats literal skill issue on your part. The M60 is is a way worse vehicle.
Get the M1 KVT or tech tree M1. It matches up pretty well to the leopard.
Your issue is just using a bad vehicle
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I do understand that, the KVT is the counter to the leos but what if I wont to play at a lower br. lets say 9.7, 9.3br and the having to fight against leo 2a4s 60 to 70% of the time. That is why I am proposing these changes, I have every us tech tree tank including the M1, but I don’t wont to play 10.3 all the time.
Unfortunately 10.3 Leos are making other tanks almost unplayable.
Yes and you gonna need to play against m1 kvt, challenger ds, T-80UD etc
Those are all leopard equivalents
The issue is that br range being saturated with premiums, resulting in way lore people playing it and surrounding brs getting sucked into it.
The leopard has nothing to do with it
Its a general br comprrssion problem
By the way I do believe that the M1 and KVT should go up to at least 10.7 as well. They have less frontal armor and less penetrating rounds that is why they should not be pushed to 11.0br as the leos.
I agree with you on that one the saturation of premium vehicles at 10 to 10.3 is ridiculous. Slightly lower br vehicles get completely destroyed.
U replied yourself there.
But yeah nothing to do with the leopard.
Nearly every nationhas competent 10.0,10.3 vehicles.
Its a popular br range trough the premiums.
Your problem is wanting to play bad vehicles for their brs or a br range that gets sucked into that vacuum.
But it has absolutly nothing to with the leopard
I do believe the challenger and ud should stay at the 10.0br they are the humpty dumpties of this br. Slower and less responsive than the leos. Unfortunately the Soviets have way toooo many premiums at this br. The line up becomes the problem not the UD.
Otherwise Turms minus trolliness and UD are not overpowering.
Well what do you think about this br change, leos go to 11.0 with better rounds L44 gun can fire DM43 to face the UK, Um2, U version tanks, but the 11.7 monsters get moved up to 12.3 br. I think this is fair?
Aint that easy, there is more you gotta handle
You are once again only pushing it on the leo. Every vehicle at that br would beed to move up.
You are want to increase its br by 0.7. While now ignoring the vehicles at already 11.0 and 11.3.
The leopard is not the problem how many times i gotta say it.
Your half assed solutions wont help anyone besides yourself, because u wanna play bad /unpopular vehicles.
Against the normal 10.0- 10.7 roster the leo plays absolutly fine.
Any coldwar era you would want to bring against modern era vehicles would get problems dealing with them.
Even to the challenger being “bad” you mentioned earlier. The 10.3 challenger br range is where UK is realy strong and has one of the best line ups.
But I am proposing an entire br. change Soviet, Swedish vehicles move up as well. BVM, 90M also move up to 12.3. The UK, UM2, U, B3 version tanks remain at 11.3 while the leo 2a4s move to 11.0 like the M1a1 and the IPM1 with better.
UK, U version tanks only have frontal ERA, but turret rotation, survivability, reload reverse speed is not the same. This br decompression will make 9.3 to 10.0 br vehicles more viable, more vehicles will be playable at lower br.s
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The Leopard 2A4 is a 10.7 vehicle, while many will argue it’s fine and balanced.
It’s armour can be penetrated but rarely leads to a one shot from the front, its turret cheeks are trolly as are it’s mantlet. It has a great gun, great round, its fast and they dominate games. It’s internal layout leads to gunner dying but commander able to use overide to one shot whatever tank you are using.
comparative 10.3 tanks all have a draw back the 2A4 doesnt.
It’s THE best premium tank in the game.
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