"Bomber Survivability Increase" Balance discussion

These are two separate topics:

  1. Maps without bases / bombing points
  2. MM with wild team compositions on standard & legacy maps

Both show that the guys in charge for triggering lobbies, the guys in charge for map design and the guys in charge for aircraft mechanics don’t talk to each other - i would even claim that they don’t even play their game.

  1. Most of the Pacific maps are very old and were initially designed for 12 vs 12 matches in the classic JP vs US/UK (axis vs allies) setup .That means also that most of these maps have certain mission objectives which require simply more aircraft to fulfill own or deny the enemy team to fulfil their goals. This is borderline impossible as the MM creates as soon as both sides have 6 Aircraft in the BR range a lobby - no matter what kind of aircraft are in the queue.

  2. This creates often (depending on which side has bombers or not) ultra one-sided matches when average players meet each other as also the quality of bombers is decisive. So if you can convince your US team on certain maps to sideclimb they can outrun, outclimb and outspeed any JP/Thai Helldivers and it ends in a turkey shooting - or your US/UK bombers use their rather good working defensive turrets vs JP paper planes flying high and very fast.

  3. But the main problem is still the bombing part as the average bomber player has not the necessary experience to hit a stationary target from 5-6 km altitude - if he flies higher, the accuracy gets worse, if he flies lower he becomes a way too easy target.

  4. On top of that - bombers have also different time spans between dropping the release button and the actual bomb drop - so depending on speed and altitude it gets extremely difficult to hit a pillbox or cargo ship if you don’t have the necessary experience. And even if you have it - the artificial bomb spread denies even with an aced plane and a level 75 crew often a hit / ground ai kill.

Some map (like Saipan) have even severe design flaws allowing you to win (as US/UK bomber) with doing nothing - just to stay alive as your own ground ai captures A or B point (old) and friendly ai aircraft (F6Fs) murder JP tickets like there is no tomorrow granting you a ticket win after ~13-15 minutes. The map is so large that you can’t get caught if you reverse climb - and no enemy player was smart enough to anticipate this move.

That means when playing for JP u have to check the enemy team for very experienced players aware of this flaw and pre climb if you identify one of them and activate a blind hunt / avenger order at the right point in time - otherwise you will lose by tickets.

That the MM decides most matches is not limited to Pacific maps :-)

In my last match a JP/That SB2C killed a JP carrier (Shokaku, marked as US / enemy with 2 escorts) for a mission score of 312 (12 for the 2 x 1,000 lbs hit plus 300 for the delayed kill) points. Ticket reduction: 100 points, same as a plain arty / aaa target 😎 This is just another sign of imbalance…

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True.

One thing people barely talk about, but that’s part of what made gunners so broken, is infinite ammo. Just get rid of it

Bombers will be useless if this lazy gaijin devs cannot decompress BR and give bomber airspawn to all bombers.

Because some bombers like B-66, Vautours goes witht he worst kind of luck, they are forced to face 2nd generation jets fully armed with AAM and bomber that runs slower than 1000 km/h and without countermeasures are screwed.

This lazy devs that decides to waste their resources and time on a new game mode that nobody wanted, nobody asked and that the game does not need (infantry) is killing this game 'cause it makes them ignore the real situation of the game.

Since this game is just business and as we keep consuming it without demanding that the devs attend the issues of the game; this game will die sooner or later.

Probably conpletely different teams working on different things. Even with infantry being worked on, everything else is still getting major updates with new vehicles and new game modes in both ground (advance) and air (nuclear) are being slowly refined. And if you look just here in the forum, there are a least some people marginally excited for infantry gameplay

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Ive done it before