I believe thats a mk108 armed bf110 firing at the b17 there
I believe thats a mk108 armed bf110 firing at the b17 there
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watch my video above, bud
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That video is on YouTube probably over a dozen times, and only this one claims the Bf 110 is firing 30mm cannons. It likely has some kind of bias behind it as the pictures included are from WT. In the original footage, there is no mention of which subvariant the Bf 110 was or what armament it carried. Many have already stated in the comments it was more likely 20mm. I think it’s worth mentioning how some B-17s and B-24s were shot down by Ki-43 fighters with only 2x 12.7mm.
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Right, that’s not a Mk108 being fired, let alone 2 of them.
This footage changes nothing regarding what I said anyways.
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ok, then watch the single pass video i made and you got mk108s blowing wings off in your few hits you described
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Re-read my comment carefully, I literally said that under the same cannon (MK 108) Night belts won’t do any damage when compared to Stealth. And the difference in filler is very small so it shouldn’t take one round 5 hits while the other takes 20 times that.
Sounds like a threshold issue + a belief in a complete bullshit statistic of 3-5 30mm rounds to kill a B17 with wings large enough to park cars on and a bomb bay that can almost fit an entire sherman tank inside it
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You can keep gaslighting yourself into this delusion. You are in denial no matter what anyone tells you.
The sources are above in this thread, but you don’t seem be a fan of common sense or reading so there’s nothing else to be said.
The source of 3-5 30mm hits was against the wing of a BLENHEIM MARK 4. Britains first attempt at an all metal bomber, A tiny plane, 2 feet longer and wider than a mosquito, less than half the wingspan of a b17, and 1/4th the empty weight. A bomber with almost 4 times the surface area of wing, whilst physically being made of a stronger design whilst being much larger is going to be able to take way more than 3-5 30mm mine shells.
Maybe read the reports instead of taking them at face value ;P
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There are 2 different links. In the first one, clearly that even if these AIM-54s are all close-miss, it is still more than enough for any one of them to instantly kill a F15E/Su30 at least - which is at the similar size as a B-17, and using much more modernized materials, which means much more durable airframe.
A missile with 60kg TNT warhead is DESIGNED to shred a B-52, which is times bigger, into pieces even without a direct hit.
And why are you not mentioning the second video where B-52 hits into B-17s directly with its nose without any damage? Why are you so urgent to offend me?
Aim 54 does not have 60kg. And I posted a video where i blast 2 b17s 2 for 2 with a missile with even less tnt, weapon employment error
So more abusing meta planes to win or spamming missiles at top tier anymore…and youre acting that a 30mm cannon is hard to aim in this game or sum
You completely could just be clearer and say “Skill issue”.
Yes, I made a mistake where the AIM-54s only have 33kg of TNT equiv. But to provide a common sense, 33kg of TNT is still enough to destroy an unreinforced building within ~15m.
And why are you not mentioning the second video where B-52 hits into B-17s directly with its nose without any damage?
1, Ok, skill issue
2, Even less 27.something kg, also continuous rod warheads blast out to the sides, not directly ahead, so a direct hit to the NOSE, headon of a B17, would pepper a bit of shrapnel but it would mostly be a concussive blast which would crump in the nose of it, which, well
3, I never mentioned the collision resistance of the bombers, because THAT doesnt need to be argued, thats IS BS and needs to be corrected.
Bonus point, Just look at my video and aim for weakspots, man, this is the aviation equivalent of a sherman player crying that he cant pen a tiger without aiming for the gunner port
If you want pure realism you might enlist yall self and do stuff irl
The current bomber state make them impossible to play
Slow in any form and not agile at all,lack proper counters so i dont see why people be crying cause “it takes 10 hits from a 30mm”,acting like you cant unload 40 shots in 10 seconds with HE filler too btw
Not sure why you want realism now after all the bs yall faced in arb so far
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The fighters are throwing a fit that their nearly decade long shooting gallery is getting shut down
The explosive mass of AIM-54 is ~27kg but the TNT equiv. is 33kg.
Continuous rod warhead mechanism is just a joke in war thunder, given the example that gaijin need to stuff ~105kg of shrapnel into a 92kg missile’s (92kg is the weight of the whole missile) warhead when gaijin wants it to actually perform like any continuous rod warhead should do.
Yes, they do. But ingame it isnt. So why are we even using wrongly modeled missiles as a data point in an argument about realism
You wouldn’t say that if you’ve actually engaged something like Tu-4 or Me264 in air RB. You’ll die if you spend more than 5 seconds in range. The AI machine gunners in war thunder shoot absurdly accurate if you try to max their skills. I don’t play those small caliber fighters much and I generally won’t spend time climbing for those “free kills”. But I can already imagine Air RB spammed by Tu-4s and get AFK kills.