BMPT/72 Should not be 10.3

Gaijin deliberately buffs the USSR. Pay attention: the entire game from BR 9.3 is balanced around the USSR. At 10.3 they have four tanks that significantly outperform the rest. For example, the penetration of shells from the TURMS or the T-80UD is about 450 mm, while the US M1 KVT (10.7) has only 370 mm. The Leopard 2A4 (10.7) with DM23 has around 400 mm. I understand that they are Russian and want to see their nation stronger, but not in such a blatant way, right?

Let’s not forget to mention that on top of strong shells, they also give their tanks very good armor. On my M1 KVT, I can’t penetrate that BMPT-72 at all, while it can penetrate me from any angle. I won’t even mention that playing at 9.3 has become impossible — I’m always matched against 10.3 USSR.

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This really got flagged as spam?

Sigh, the reason people are taking these complaints less seriously is because people keep claiming ridiculous things. The M1 Abrams (the tech tree KVT) is already more than fine where it is, its my highest performing stock grind (bar the T26E5) yet. And I regularly see people get nukes with it without just being a sneaky flanker.

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Well no, lol. I know you like to try and trap people into gotchas and you do love your whataboutisms but I’m going to have to disappoint you.

The t-58 in particular is fundamentally almost impossible to balance, it’s practically a rolling contradiction.

Mediocre mobility, no stabiliser, no thermals, no laser range finder (thank god), a reliance on chemical rounds (no one is penetrating hardly anything with the aphe round) and armour that can be a bit trolly but isn’t really an issue for the things it faces.

What holds it down in br is obvious, just as what pushes it up (the gun and autoloader) is obvious. It’s stuck just like the maus and should probably have never been added.

The turm3? I don’t really have any issues with it. The only things it has going for it are the fire rate and coaxial auto cannon.

The bmpt is none of these things.

Excellent thermals, extremely strong top tier level protection, very high multi-channel firepower, good mobility for its weight and an absurdly forgiving damage model.

The correct solution is obvious: add the darts it should have and push it up to 11.7 to sit with the premium t-80. The single reason for its br placement is the ammunition which is a conscious decision by gaijin to keep it at 10.3 where its protection just isn’t appropriate for the br.

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Got flagged as inappropriate now

What an absolute joke

It happens with depressing regularity.

If it keeps happening you can complain to a moderator and they can remove their ability to do it I think, or give them a forum timeout for abusing the feature.

I guess it’s inappropriate to make a joke about how Russian 10.0 is steamrolling games rn. Can’t talk bad about gaijin cash cow. Let alone joke lmao

And the insane mobility?

Pretty much the same as a leopard no?

They’re super squishy. Sure if one gets the drop on you it can be an issue very quickly but I just don’t really have that many issues with them.

It helps that the players largely seem to forget the have the 30mm, lol.

Don’t worry, T58 isn’t an exception when it comes to unbalanced vehicles.

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I swear if they deemed it as inappropriate cause I used a titanic meme for comparison, somebody power trippin

Good players fully understand that armor does not matter much at all ultimately and the two most important things are mobility and firepower, of which the turm 3 is top class in.

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Genuinely baffling the defense of the TURM III and T58 is still ongoing. But what can you even say anymore.

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The mobility isn’t much better than the leopard? It has a what, 2 second faster reload rate and the 30mm over the leopard. Both use the L7 and I think have the same ammo? Not at my computer to check.

They’re super squishy, I don’t get the issue with it tbh.

The mobility is the same, which is strong mobility for a MBT at the BR.

Massive advantage

massive advantage, this is not the french 20mm coax with apcr ammo

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Sure, but what it doesn’t have is

Incredible armour for its br

An unmanned turret

Top tier thermals.

A damage model which is… “special”

What br do people think is appropriate for it? Personally I think it’s fine at 8.3. I don’t have any issues with it.

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When you see the things it faces you’ll understand those cons don’t matter much, as shown by the stats.
It also has to “rely” on HESH that still nukes tanks by hitting them in their tracks.

Lol.
It’s pretty much great or the best at every metric except armor.

Mobility, gun handling, reload speed, shells, optics, …

If T-62 can sit at 8.7, so can Turm III.

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8.7 at the very least. The TURM 3 being 8.3 is beyond stupid.

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So that’s the only combo that can make something too strong at it’s BR ?

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