Well datamines showed that they did adjust how easily you could overpressure it but that seems a bit absurd lmao
I played a a match yesterday and hit one directly in the ATGMs with a 120mm HESH round twice and only turned one slightly yellow… its completely bugged atm.
I can play the BMPTs loadouts at 9.3 and 9.7 elsewhere.
BMPT has armor though, which is why it’s 10.3.
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LOL! I love NATO equipment, which is why I play War Thunder.
There hasn’t been a reason for me to touch Soviet ground vehicles outside of collecting ever since NATO vs Warsaw matchmaking was removed.
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More crew and equivalent protection…
Once all the bugs are ironed out it will be a 12.7 tank just missing the 125mm
Not those ATGMs… and its not as if vics like the bmd’s are struggling at 9.7. And the armor is the same as a 12.7 mbt, which is a bit OP for any 9.3 vic to encounter.
HOT-2: 900mm pen. 8.7.
BMP-3: 950mm. 9.3.
BTR-82AT: 1200mm. 9.0.
The new Jaguar 2: 800mm. 9.0.
ZT3A2: 1200mm. 8.3. [No autocannon.]
BMP-2M: 1200mm. 10.3.
APFSDS.
BMPT: 800mm. 10.3.
APDS is 8.3 - 9.3.
BMPT’s ATGMs are average at best for the BR, and the APDS is very much well above the BRs it’s normally at.
As stated, the primary reason BMPT is 10.3 instead of around 9.3 is because of the armor.
The BMP2M is the better pick for damage to enemy teams.
But Sprut-M is better than BMP2M so I don’t bring the BMPs.
Y’all are giving BMPT too much credit.
It’s okay, it has good armor.
Its offensive armament isn’t as good as other 10.3s such as Strf 9040 BILL, BMP2M, Bradley, etc.
Its defense is where it does something notably above others.
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Lmao the BMP-T is 10.3, while the Puma VFJT is 11.0 while the latter is virtually worse in every way. Bias at is finest. This thing should be 11.3 for the armor alone.
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@Just_Baron coming to the defense of Russian equipment in an attempt to derail the topic cause someone dares criticize it.
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What does pen values got to do with anything? Its the speed, maneuverability, and accuracy along side the HE atgm that is the issue. I can overpressure any vic at its BR and higher by hitting the roof (something that cant be done on the BMPT) it lacks the wobble that other atgms such as the ZTA3’s and yes the bmp2m has apfsds, but it has even been acknowledged by a dev to be a little overpowered at its BR
Terminator: 10.3
2x 30mm
4x Ataka ATGM
Good Armor thanks to Relict ERA
Ok Mobility
Puma IFV: 10.3
1x 30mm
Bugged armor (Underperforming by a lot…)
Good Mobility
Result: Puma must be 10.7 while Terminator goes down to 9.3 /s
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Puma, Namer, KF41, CV90 Mk.IV, etc.
Hell, it’s the same BR as the Ajax.
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Yes, if it was American it would be properly placed in BR, just like T58. Oh wait.
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It’s a T-90/72… its mobility is average at best for the BR.
Over-pressuring is another issue for sure.
Also I haven’t had any ATGM wobble on me.
Love that humor.
If BMPT could have APFSDS I’d say give it that and move it to 11.x.
But it doesn’t so I can’t.
PUMA VJTF could only be 0.3 better than the BMPT, I can believe that.
Namer as well, especially with how broken the Namer’s armor is compared to PUMA and BMPT.
Another thing is, the Terminator are TDs…
So why do they get Arty then?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/demOrsREjm8K
Or leave the Arty on them, but give every single TD also Arty…
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Not bias guys, just a happy little bug that they won’t fix :clueless:
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All of my takes present in your posts. Love it.
They probably intended for it to have light tank category at first before changing it.
I support arty for TDs as an alternative as well.
Edit: Why would people flag the topic?
He gave a civil opinion…
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Try maneuvering the missile at long range, is has about a second delay then over corrects itself like crazy, wobbling back n forth as it try’s to stabilize. The BMPT has a far more responsive missile and somehow lacks the major overcorrection that most other ATGMs have.
The T58 isn’t even that good 😂 there are definitely more broken Russian Air/ground than any other nation… shall we discuss kh38, pantsir, 2S38, bmp3, bmd, r-27er, r-73, how about the bluewater ships?
How long were these vehicles or weapons out without any kind of equivalent for other nations?
Yeah, whoever flagged the posts got mad real quick, I didn’t even get the chance to read it. I can see a bit of it through the embed. Either way, this thing is criminal.
I don’t think it will last at 10.3 for long, it’s the same BR as the BMP-2M without any of the downsides of the BMP for Christ’s sake, it has to go up.
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IDK about criminal. I have conflicting thoughts as the T-72Bs are 10.3 with that armor, and IMO more useful to the match than IFVs as-is.
But I and others have previously made arguments they should be 10.7.
So with those previous takes, I might think of 10.7 being an option for BMPTs.
BMPT’s loadouts are seen at 9.3: APDS and 800mm penning ATGMs.
To my knowledge they can’t fire APFSDS either.
So I have my concerns, doubts, and thoughts. No conclusion yet personally.
Which is why I didn’t post a conclusion here.
All I’ve done is mention the facts and am juggling on how to conclude what those facts mean.