@Morvran 's assessment is with incomplete information about ERA and the game’s implementation.
K5, Duplet, and Relikt are kinetic defeating ERA types.
As a way to simulate this effect, they will distort direction of rounds below a mass, which is an optimized way of simulating penetration reduction.
You can nerf ERA all you want, but it will not change bounces from MBT rounds in the case of K5 and Relikt.
K5’s reduction is already not enough to protect against top rounds.
And Relikt’s even if artificially nerfed would still be enough to protect against top rounds.
It will also not change overlapping plates causing issues: Neither of these shots hit ERA.
TLDR, soviet era is magically able to stop shells designed to penetrate it because "game limitaitons " meanwhile NATO ERA can barely provide enough protection to stop a handgrenade
1- Which is in Sweden, Japan, China; and is programmed using NATO source material.
2- Which is in USA, France, Japan, China, Britain, etc as well.
3- Which is in… every? tech tree now.
4- Which is every tech tree…
5- Oh, the Su-25T thing… that doesn’t even protect against my AIM-9L except at super long ranges where you wouldn’t launch them anyway.
6- USA, France, China, Japan… at least.
7- USA, Germany, Sweden, China, etc…
8- Refer to point 7.
9- Italy was the first ever tech tree to get them, and had them for years. USA, Germany, etc have missiles on navy vessels as well.
Its not. They are all underperforming considerably to primary sources
The only long ranged AGMs are the KH-38 and AASM. KH-38 was added first by a consierable margin.
The only nation with top down attack ATGMs modeled is the LMUR, all other missiles are awaiting impelementation of the same code, have been for 3+ years
Pantsir was considerably more powerful than any other equivalent and still is at the same BR. The fair addition for the soviets 4 years ago would have been the Tor-M1, instead they got a 12.7 SPAA at 11.7 for years.
It does, It also blocks all IRCCM missiles too.
Soviets were first, by quite a marign iirc.
Spall liners were onyl added in the same update that hte soviets got an MBT that had spall liners IRL. THey were originally only going to add the T90M with them but everoyne complained
Most nations are still missing spall liners for most IFVs, But BMPT got them fully and completely modeled day 1.
So its been at 10.7 for a week. Shooting them in their weakspots is unreliable and ammo shots have done nothing to blow them up for me. They have absolutely destroyed 10.7 match making. This tank is better protected than a T-90M. I got so tired of their shenanigans that I replaced my CAS plane with a CAP plane for the sole purpose of shooting down any nuke a BMPT player gets.
I find it hilarious that they get TK’d by their own helicopters from time to time. Gaijin needs to put it up to 11.3, hell even 11.3 is too low. I had one tank my Challenger 2’s L26 shot (my Challenger 2’s are stock) in the LOWER HULL PLATE. Take it too 11.7 where it can get into 12.3 match making so it can be humbled by real MBTs that actually worked in real life.
PGM 2000, PGM 500, Kh-59, AGM-130A, Hammer, Kh-38 off the top of my head.
And all glide bombs in the game as they have ranges up to 120km.
3- Bugs do not change the fact that top attack ATGMs exist in many tech trees.
4- Pantsir was unable to frag top CAS due to not being CLAWS or better in capability.
Pantsir itself was 6 - 12 months late, and the new SPAA was over 2 years late. All because CAS players just didn’t care about survival.
6- And Soviet DIRCM didn’t prevent Stinger or other IRCCM locks until it was added to other tech trees.
7- Thanks for proving my point.
Also not sure why you’re calling Leopard 2s “T-90M”.
Spall liners take more than 2 days to 3D model on over 10 tanks. Weeks to months of lead time.
Survivability is also the issue at hand, I think it should be expelled to 12.3-12.7, maybe given APFSDS to compensate and nerf the turret to the point that, the ammunition belt on the turret can actually kill the crew and make the turret mechanism elements far bigger so that any turret hit can prevent it from firing back. That is the treatment the PUMA received if I recall correctly.
