I say its gonna be in the nobody saw the report loop, just like with my External Fuel tank report
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/SZENudkRkND7
kinda bad for bmpt lol
you are wrong because russia had KA 52 and ka 50 which was absolutely dominating top tier for years… covered by Tunguska… like they could not add OSA or TOR instead of it so it would be balanced to NATO SPAA which had ABSOLUTELY no chance fighting Kamovs
After unlocking the BMPT, I can say, its Very good Balanced, its realy fun to play since you tank literally everything (even stock)
In 2 rounds so far the 1st was an Nuke, so yea…
yeah op
I reported that too and they closed it and told me to provide sources…
Very cool.
i just saw justin stat, i am a rookie
last time i checked, ka52/50 dont have fire & forget missile.
It wasn’t as “hard” before to get some kills without FnF missiles, the 52 one also had quite a powerful IRCM or whatever it had and the missiles are busted still.
ircm ?? i know that the range is quite long 8km but it didnt have ircm.
If both rounds fail to pen its UFP, what does it matter if BMPT is 10.3/10.7 or 12.7?
ok im also rlly starting to hate the t58 vermin
It really wasn’t.
Before the introduction of the Pantsir, the MiG-27K was arguably the strongest CAS jet in the game. At the time, it was one of the very few aircraft with laser-guided bomb capability, which defined the meta back then. MiG-27Ks could comfortably loiter at around 10 km altitude, drop LGBs with impunity, and remain effectively invisible to radar, raining ordnance from above with little to no risk.
In contrast, TV-guided weapons were genuinely awful during that period. Monochrome seeker screens had poor contrast, visibility was terrible, and acquiring targets often felt like an eyesight exam. This was also back when night battles couldn’t be disabled, meaning roughly half of all matches rendered TV weapons literally unusable. On top of that, AGM-65s dealt less damage overall, even today, the 40 kg warhead can still result in nothing more than a “hit”.
Ironically, the addition of the Pantsir amplified Russian CAS dominance. Russia gained access to the only SAM system capable of denying airspace out to ~18 km, with 60–80 degrees of radar coverage, and operating on radar frequencies that no RWRs could even detect (a problem that still persists to some extent today).
At the time, the Pantsir became the only real counter to the LGB meta, especially considering that the US didn’t yet have a single LGB-capable platform and was still fully reliant on TV guidance, with all the shortcomings mentioned earlier.
And that’s without even touching on Ka-50/52 dominance, which is an entirely separate discussion and clearly an even more extreme case.
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and? You know about vikhr right?
because DM53 is pretty much guaranteed to pen angled side or go through relikt while DM23 cannot pen side through ERA even from flat side also DM53 have much much much higher chance getting through weak spots and doing actually some damage or at least don’t get stopped by ENGINE when fired from behind…stop pretending you rather fire DM 23 over 53 and sit in tank with better armor to shrug off 30mm and ATGM…
I think it’s fair to say that at the very least they will face more hardship than the potential 10.0 downtiers.
I dont want to sound mean but dont you think youre getting angry at me over entirely different thing than I said? Not once i mentioned side armor.
About the IRCM uhh you might be right. The issue with the missile is that it’s fast and smoking does almost nothing to them whilst other laser guided munitions do get deflected (that is because of the nature of beam riding munitions such as the Vikhrs or plenty ATGMs such as the ones the BMPT and many other vehicles have).
It does have IRCM now though, still not the greatest as of right now due to the addition of FnF helis (without counting the few nations that had them).
I have the Centauro RGO, 586mm pen dart, and they bounce ~50% of the time, directly into the sides. Perfect 90 degree angle. Soooooo, yeah I also don’t think that a simple BR change is gonna “fix” it.
Also have the Ariete Сertezza, 621mm pen, DM53. Same results.
EDIT: Oh looks like the 3 Ariete’s might have the best pen dart that the BMPT’s can face right now in an uptier? Unless I’m missing another tank at 11.7 with the DM53.
And I focus them every chance I get, I try to bully them as much as possible. Since both of these are 11.7’s, I see multiple BMPT’s pretty much every match right now. It’s very random even with excellent darts. Any angle, any spot on the BMPT.
Especially on the sides though. The BMPT’s are not like any other RU MBT where a perfectly placed perpendicular side shot is an almost guaranteed kill, or at the very least most of the way destroyed/most kill members eliminated.
RGO's dart:
Certezza's dart:
I am slightly skeptical at these side non-pen claims, M829A2 seems to find no trouble getting through, my guess is there’s some weird volumetric armor interaction between the thin angled extra ERA bricks, the Relikt and the spall liner for that to happen.
I think however that it’s obvious the model is extremely buggy, likely on purpose and needs rebalance. Again I think it would still be better if they made both of these vehicles sit in the 12.0-12.3 range for now even if that’s not gonna completely fix the problem.
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