BMPT/72 Should not be 10.3

[bataberkTR]

@Morvran_

at is the problem. To pretend the BMPT is just like any other IFV/AFV is just intentionally being misleadin

I could not agree more.BMP2M is annoying to deal with it but it is easy to kill.

[Morvran]

So? Like any other 10.3/10.7 AFV used at 10.3/10.7?

You just admitted that it works fine at 13.0 and is balanced similarly to how say the Ajax is balanced at 10.3.

So BMPT to 13.0?

[StaszekJones]

@Morvran_

The only tank in game with both top tier MBT armour AND an autocanon is the BMPT.

On paper, yes.

@Morvran_

BMP, Puma, Ajax, CV90, any of these come round the corner, you can usually fire and kill it, especially in a vehicle of the same class. In the BMPT… in a MBT with a good enough shell you have a fraction of the second to nail a tiny weakspot and pray it works. In an IFV… J out.

PUMA have problem with BMPT only frontally, side are one shoot one BMPT kill :>

@Morvran_

That is the problem. To pretend the BMPT is just like any other IFV/AFV is just intentionally being misleading

True, but BMPT is not a IFV, gaijin classified it as tank destroyer.

[Morvran]

@StaszekJones

On paper, yes.

and in reality?

It literally has the same hull and ERA config as the T-72B3 and T-90M respectively.

And unlike those, it has an unmanned turret that is very hard to disable… At least with either of those other tanks you can fairly easily destroy barrel or gun breach.

@StaszekJones

PUMA have problem with BMPT only frontally, side are one shoot one BMPT kill :>

Right and?

Puma and BMPT meet headon. BMPT always wins. Period.

That isnt balance.

@StaszekJones

True, but BMPT is not a IFV, gaijin classified it as tank destroyer.

Which means it gets an ammo crate, more like a buff than a nerf.

But that is still a poor excuse for it to be sub 11.0

[StaszekJones]

Ppl use PUMA with 2A7, so PUMA to 12.7

Bruh, there is a ppl who use T-34-85 at top. What that mean ? Totally nothing.

[Morvran]

That is the worst possible argument I have ever seen to justify a vehicle being massively under BRed.

[H_ngma]

@StaszekJones

yeas and no - 2S38 has slower rate of fire, so give u chance to react.

BMP2M has the same rate of fire but gets APFSDS so its also better not just the 2S38.

@StaszekJones

On paper, yes.

What do you mean on paper? Is it a relict plastered MBT chassis or is it not?

@StaszekJones

PUMA have problem with BMPT only frontally, side are one shoot one BMPT kill :>

1. Thats not even true thanks to the ass ammo the puma has and the BMPTs relict side
2. If you get into a flank position in a puma against a BMPT you could literally give me anything else and it would be the same result.

[StaszekJones]

@Morvran_

and in reality?

It’s WT, not reality. there is nothing comparable to reality.

@Morvran_

And unlike those, it has an unmanned turret that is very hard to disable…

I dont agree with second one now, it;s not that hard to disable turret. But yeah, there is a “advantage” of BMPT, repair i 12 seconds only.

@Morvran_

That isnt balance.

And never will be.

[CollectorOfSins]

Are we really comparing puma to BMPT? They legit have different classifications.

[StaszekJones]

Bro …

@Morvran_

So BMPT to 13.0?

xD

[H_ngma]

True but vehicles need to be balanced at their BR against each other no matter the classification

[Gorni9]

I’d like to remind you that Namer 30 got 11.3 because it’s a autocannon on MBT hull that is hard to kill

[Morvran]

@StaszekJones

It’s WT, not reality. there is nothing comparable to reality.

True, if this was reality. we’d have ERA perforating rounds that would entirely and completely nullify soviet ERA, instead in war thunder, its an unpentrable super armour, capable of stopping anything, including tandem charge ATGMs.

@StaszekJones

I dont agree with second one now, it;s not that hard to disable turret. But yeah, there is a “advantage” of BMPT, repair i 12 seconds only.

It is exceedingly small target that I find only gets disable about 10% of the time. Even as annoying as the 2S38 is, a hit to the turret disables it, no matter what. I nailed a BMPT turret with 2x L27A1 in the Chally 2, nothing, it kept firing.

@StaszekJones

And never will be.

Move the Premium BMPT to 11.0 or 11.3

Move the TT BMPT to 11.7 or 12.0 (with buffs)

and it would be a LOT more balanced than it is right now sub 11.0.

[bataberkTR]

My previous encounters:
1.BMPT:covered lower front plate it took 3 guys to finally kill it
2.BMPT: 3 DM33 105 side shots did nothing.Other guys’s shot finally killed
3.BMPT: 5 M830 of M1A1 to non era blocked places did nothing.Finally died
4.BMPT:Only turret was seen.Side turret shot did not kill only took the ammo away.
So this thing mostly takes more than one guy to kill.

[bataberkTR]

And i saw guys killing 9 guys without dying with no effort even the new guys who bought premium

[bataberkTR]

If you see two of them at same point consider yourself dead.

[Morvran]

A friend sent me an image of 2x BMPTs getting a nuke in the same match…

[bataberkTR]

I think both should move the same BR because there is no difference particular.11.7 or 12.0 could be better

[CollectorOfSins]

@Morvran_

True, if this was reality. we’d have ERA perforating rounds that would entirely and completely nullify soviet ERA, instead in war thunder, its an unpentrable super armour, capable of stopping anything, including tandem charge ATGMs.

NATO players when top tier russian hulls turn green:

[Morvran]

The crew count difference is notable, the TT one is a lot more survivable, so give it ATGM buff and/or round buff, it could comfortably sit higher still