and? You know about vikhr right?
because DM53 is pretty much guaranteed to pen angled side or go through relikt while DM23 cannot pen side through ERA even from flat side also DM53 have much much much higher chance getting through weak spots and doing actually some damage or at least don’t get stopped by ENGINE when fired from behind…stop pretending you rather fire DM 23 over 53 and sit in tank with better armor to shrug off 30mm and ATGM…
I think it’s fair to say that at the very least they will face more hardship than the potential 10.0 downtiers.
I dont want to sound mean but dont you think youre getting angry at me over entirely different thing than I said? Not once i mentioned side armor.
About the IRCM uhh you might be right. The issue with the missile is that it’s fast and smoking does almost nothing to them whilst other laser guided munitions do get deflected (that is because of the nature of beam riding munitions such as the Vikhrs or plenty ATGMs such as the ones the BMPT and many other vehicles have).
It does have IRCM now though, still not the greatest as of right now due to the addition of FnF helis (without counting the few nations that had them).
I have the Centauro RGO, 586mm pen dart, and they bounce ~50% of the time, directly into the sides. Perfect 90 degree angle. Soooooo, yeah I also don’t think that a simple BR change is gonna “fix” it.
Also have the Ariete Сertezza, 621mm pen, DM53. Same results.
EDIT: Oh looks like the 3 Ariete’s might have the best pen dart that the BMPT’s can face right now in an uptier? Unless I’m missing another tank at 11.7 with the DM53.
And I focus them every chance I get, I try to bully them as much as possible. Since both of these are 11.7’s, I see multiple BMPT’s pretty much every match right now. It’s very random even with excellent darts. Any angle, any spot on the BMPT.
Especially on the sides though. The BMPT’s are not like any other RU MBT where a perfectly placed perpendicular side shot is an almost guaranteed kill, or at the very least most of the way destroyed/most kill members eliminated.
RGO's dart:
Certezza's dart:
I am slightly skeptical at these side non-pen claims, M829A2 seems to find no trouble getting through, my guess is there’s some weird volumetric armor interaction between the thin angled extra ERA bricks, the Relikt and the spall liner for that to happen.
I think however that it’s obvious the model is extremely buggy, likely on purpose and needs rebalance. Again I think it would still be better if they made both of these vehicles sit in the 12.0-12.3 range for now even if that’s not gonna completely fix the problem.
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It’s random. Sometimes it goes through the ERA plates like they are made of warm butter, zero directional deviation, through the middle, and even out the other side through the other side’s ERA blocks.
Sometimes it does the multi bouncing thing between the “plates” of the ERA and fully stops, doesn’t even destroy the ERA block. It’s just random from my experiences over the last days since the BMPT’s came out.
Here, let me see if I can get a replay lol. Queuing a match.
LOL uptier, no BMPT’s 😂
i am not angry, just saying that claiming that there is no difference if facing BMPT with DM23 or 53 is nonsense. No one sane try to shoot UFP head on, its MUCH easier to pen weak spot from front with DM53, like drivers port, hitting through sprocket wheel when its slightly angled or actually penning UFP when enemy is downslope. You wont do that with DM23…
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I was merely making a point that BR shift wont really change the issues of BMPT or how people need to fight it.
I thought it was obvious.
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Lul, just killed one by shooing it UNDERNEATH 🤣 It jumped over a hill.
That’s all we gotta do guys! lmao
no, what you are implying is that its busted and it doesnt matter if it fights shermans or leo A7… leo A7 just have MUCH higher chance killing it or disabling it, period.
Easily disabled and trigger fireworks yes, killable? hardly. A hull down PUMA could take infinite amount of darts to the turret starts a repair simulator, after 3-4 cook off it eventually ran out of ammo but the crews remains 100% healthy and that time you either just scout for targets or bait the enemy into shooting it, cause a distraction so your teammate can return fire. Only time I was killed via turret is ATGM or Spikes, and occasionally HE but its so rng that it could take plenty and not get overpressure especially when hit in the MUSS sensor. Still p4p best unmanned turret in the game before bmpt arrives to dethrone it, not sure after yesterday nerf via chance of ammo rack via hit to the belt.
It would a little.
L23/L23A1 for example just lacks the pen or post-pen damage to reliably one shot any T-series with a LFP shot, even some mixed experience with a side on shot.
L26 is worlds better and L27A1 usually works fairly consistantly. (was nailing them in the Challenger 2 in GSB earlier today, definetly the firepower needed to properly counter them)
By moving the BMPT higher, it would more consistantly face the appropriate shells needed whilst those without would avoid the worst of it. I doubt many 9.0-10.0 shells can actually reliably deal with any of the 10.0+ T-Series based tanks without extremely accurate fire and a generous table spoon of luck
I dont know what is your problem, but
Are you implying that it isnt?
Leo 2A7V has to go for the same weakspots 2A4 does since the DM53 doesnt pass the neccesary penetration treshold to lolpen BMPT UFP.
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Sure, but ultimately you have to go for the same weakspots youd go for with Challenger DS, no?
Sure, I agree.
But the BMPT issues wont be fixed nonetheless.
Yes, but the L26 gives much more consistent one shots when hitting the LFP/drivers port/side than L23. And L27 will give even more consistent one shots in those weakspots than L26.
Sure, I agree with all of that, my point was entirely about the need to go for weakspots no matter the BR.
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Just landed 4 QN-506 F&F missiles on a BMPT and didnt even penetrate it. The QN-506 is hopeless against the BMPT.
It’s an uparmored T-72s/T-80 armor profile but slightly better due to having spall liners, so don’t expect to pen it even with top tier rounds shooting outside of the usual weakspots, 9.7 to 10.3 do have some heavy hitters like ZLT11, Sabra and 120S that uses top tier viable ammunitions. I’ve recently spaded the Booker and M228 could kill one-tab it via usual weakspots about 7/10 times, and M900’s consistency of OHKO significantly improved, only issue is short to mid-range encounter where I have no access to the weakspots and can’t back off to avoid getting hit.
Also the M10 Booker has turret cheeks surprisingly resistant against 30mm APDS from BMPs, I have been spammed at with the turret slightly turned and none actually got through to deal critical damage, that’s when I know it is something capable of trading fire with them lol
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