BMPT/72 Should not be 10.3

[The_Dark]

but varied (not sure if its the right word) what would it make fire faster

[AspectOfTheRAGE]

What?

[SwingfireOP]

If you can find evidence of both guns firing at the same time, I’d like to see it.

The videos you see of the gun vibrating like crazy are with just a single gun, the gun mounting is that bad.

[SwingfireOP]

Yeah, just bite the bullet and move the bastard thing to 11.7

[AlvisWisla]

Ah, a hindsight bias fallacy.
There are no direct equivalents to BMPT in War Thunder.
Yes, in hindsight it’s effective.
Prior to its addition and use, they wouldn’t have any reference point from other vehicles, so they stuck a guess.
And clearly that guess was wrong, and in between 9.3 IFVs with similar weapons, and Namer 30 with 60% the frontal armor.

So a major mistake when they could’ve and should’ve played more cautiously when not having a direct reference to work with.

@Normandy_Corsair out here implying Gaijin are omniscient gods that can somehow predict the future with no references.
I couldn’t think so highly of other men. I understand the flaws of man, and our limitations that can cause mistakes and bad decisions.

Edit added my opinion in bold.

[Morvran]

@AlvisWisla

Ah, a hindsight bias fallacy.
There are no direct equivalents to BMPT in War Thunder.

Well. Its literally got the body of a T-72B3 or T-90M. 11.7 and 12.7 vehicles.

commonsense would have implied that 9.3 to 10.7 vehicles would probably find it difficult to kill.

Which is precisely 99% of the problem.

Also, fairly certain there were reports of it being really good on the dev server, so this minute change to 10.7 could have happened before it hit live

Terminator should be at 11.7

Overall I would agree that the BR of 10.3 is quite low. Both BMPTs have a big design flaw though, where you can hit the ammo by shooting the belt running through the unarmored turret housing. Depending on if this doesn’t lead to an ammo rack on the live server, it’s BR has to be increased and it’s classification as a TD removed.

Bmpt "terminator"

only a blind man no se this bmpt not be “balanced” in 10.3 br first have toptier protection, ifvs with missile is placed in 11.0 and because this not classifield as ivf have ammo box, 4 ataka missile in this br and easely replace it bacause have ammo box, capable to lock air target and have air ammo, for example u are in puma wich is same br and fece to face bmpt where need to shot in front with 30mm gun to penetrate it? And other question make it realistical for example the big terminator hav…

Bmpt and the Bmpt-72

so this is a discussion about the new bmpt. i wanna start by saying that its should not be a 10.3. i understand that its not that great armor but: i really wanna see the apfsds round and air burst munition. the bmpt should be able to fire its 2 canon as the same time, and have the option the use 1 of the canon as seconday weapons and the other as either the mg or the special gun button . it should be firing apds from both canon but i am not sure i can think that the missing apfsds …

@AlvisWisla

There are no direct equivalents to BMPT in War Thunder.

Which also means they should leaned on the side of caution. Gone for 10.7/11.0 from the get go and then gone from there

[アルクェイド_ブリュンスタッド]

Yeah but money lol. Seeing how 9.3-11.3 get flooded with mostly premium BMPT. One can see why they delay the up br that long

[Morvran]

Yeah… Unfortunately this is the case. Just a shame they dont do this with all premiums.

We had to fight like hell just to get the Harrier T10 up to the performance for the BR they were going to add it at.

[アルクェイド_ブリュンスタッド]

I mean they do. T58/Turm II/J-7D and probably some more that I can’t be bothered to name. It just they probably think they could let this slide and think the playerbase would let it pass , like most of the other premium or broken vehicle. Too bad the BMPT actually got a premium version on release so they can’t blatantly nerf the tech tree while leaving the premium untouch.

They know what they are doing and testing if they could push it even further.

[Zahltag]

ofc.

We need to make the riots a yearly thing apparently, gaijin seems incapable of learning

[AlvisWisla]

You mean the T-90M and T-72B3 are the bodies of 2 10.3 vehicles:

That’s like saying the Challenger Mk2 has the body of a 12.7 just because Black Night is 12.7.
Also the armor isn’t a direct reference for the autocannon and ATGM combination, it’s only a general reference point.

However, I’m glad to see my take repeated here:

@Morvran_

Which also means they should leaned on the side of caution. Gone for 10.7/11.0 from the get go and then gone from there

@Morvran_

Just a shame they dont do this with all premiums.

The following is calling out some of their mistakes, a criticism of past behavior:
They quite literally do with all premiums and non-premiums that have no direct reference.
Harrier T10 had other Harriers and Su-25 as direct reference.
EBR had no reference. 2.3 BR above first addition.
Puma had no reference. 2.0 BR above first addition.
M3A3 probably had no reference. 1.0 BR above first addition.
PT-76-57 had no reference. I forgot its initial BR, I just know it wasn’t 8.3.
People argue that the R3 T20 was OP, and it was added without direct reference. 2.7BR above first addition.
The list goes on and on about these mistakes.

The only saving grace about BMPT is that it’s not a 1.7 - 2.3BR screw up, but seems to be a 0.7 - 1.0 BR screw up instead.
So they are learning. At this rate they’ll have fully learned by 2028. I’d prefer they learn sooner of course.

[Zahltag]

everyone could tell its superior to the 11.0 puma in game. EVERYONE.

[AlvisWisla]

You responded to the wrong person, as I made no statements related to the content of your post.
I only made statements that BMPT is OP.

[Zahltag]

oh right you are that delulu person again

[Zahltag]

do you have multiple personality disorder coupled with dementia

[アルクェイド_ブリュンスタッド]

I mean we can’t LMAO, people are still busying throwing biased accusation around cause surely that matter.

If we were able to then:

• Premium pack would be fairly price and actually something that worth buying, unique or just good pick up. FOMO would not have been a factor in their marketing strategy.

• Minor nation wouldn’t be as fucked as it is right now. Which majority of their top tank are just outright dogshit or not worthy of the 12.7 battle rating, not even counting lower BR cause sure as hell it is even worse down there. Some of them just need a buff following their real life counterpart. Not some mid ass copy paste or outright DOA (Ajax LMAO).

• Some of the game mechanic need to be reworked or outright removed (Scout need to go), Naval need more attention and love. Air need some more gamemode for all BR.

I mean they are so desperate. To the point reusing three premium pack and slapping on it the most generic weeb stuff ever and people gonna buy it at full price. Some even rebought it just for the anime woman. This event for example , the only thing worth getting is the MIG25. The british IFV should be a tech tree vehicle , not an event one, really could use a good and actually useable IFV. The naval ship is slop , there is no other word to describe it.

I like that they are trying to get new content out because a lot of people keep demanding new stuff to fit their agenda but what the point ?

If the BMPT situation doesn’t wake people up and they still gonna spend another nearly hundred bux on whatever gaijin about to release then we never gonna get actual improvement. Just small droplet of changes to temporary ease the mass before the next bomb shell that gonna revert everything back

[G3ntl3man95]

woow what a huge balanc “nerf” from 10.3 to 10.7 …:D

[Jεcka]

@racimazzedine

So what, most of the time i play it at 11.7 since all 10.3 is just trash with cry baby and long 14min wait to play.

So you have a K/D of 3:1 and 80%+ WR at 11.7 lol, this thing needs to be 12.0 without APFSDS then clearly.

And can Gaijin finally make the belts explode and kill the crew lmao, it’s so idiotic how they do it only for this vehicle but not for anybody else (hurr durr external belts when that isn’t a thing).

[Morvran]

@Jεcka

make the belts explode and kill the crew lmao,

Marketing lie. Soviets have ammo that is 100% immune to damage /s

[racimazzedine]

Dude i think your forgetting the spaa kills spam. Spaa only represent 30% of my kills.

Sure 12.0 without apfsds is really smart