and I still see 0 excuse for why the 2S38 is still only 10.3. Especially since the decompression
Because the 2S38 stats are low, mainly caused by a combination of new/bad players and the 2S38 just being very farmable for MBTs.
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For missile it’s super bad. This does not necessarily make the vehicles bad, as other stats can compensate for this.
2S38 much like other lightly armored autocannon vehicles is just incredibly annoying to deal with at times especially if they get the drop on you.
What annoys me specifically about the 2S38 is that while yes it did get new modules that in theory make it eaiser to kill it in practice did nothing but buff it because realistically your still taking the same shots at it you were before. The only difference is now it has some new modules that are largely rng but for the most part dont stop it from dying. In return it lost its 20 round ready rack and just gets access to all 148 rounds with mo down time. Stuff like the PUMA also didnt really get affected by the module changes either but its still just as annoying honestly.
(I personally still hate the 35mm spaa more anyways)
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Excuse me ? Since when do you need to aim with 800mm of pen ?
Don’t have the context but no apparently Terminator never got better missiles.
Reminder that the T90 version was made in 2000 approximately, the T-72 one for export in 2013, and since it was meant to be a cheaper alternative they just simplified it. The T-15 variant might have mounted different missiles, even though the launcher looks similar.
Eh, it still has an effect. Maybe not a large one but the effect is definitely going to be there, same with the Reddit threads on the issue (of which there are many).
I don’t get why people call this overpowered… Like c’mon it only has 4 missiles that you have to aim when facing an MBT from the front. And having apds going against light tanks at that br is a pain in the ass, mostly because they are immune to apds from the front. Even the sides can sometimes eat up those rounds. Sure the armor is great at that br, but that’s the only thing going for it. Mobility is also bad for what it was made for, gameplay wise.
Would take the BMP-2M over this to be honest.
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You have an ammo box, the number of missiles is of no concern.
When it was added ? yeah it had an air spawn or something to that effect and could effectively fly out and over the map before you’d even managed to get position, be on your six and end you.
EDIT: As @Beeschurger has said, the T2, not the F2 apologies.
I tend to get the Fs n Ts mixed up especially seeing as the F1 is right after the T2.
just ignore the likes of the T58 as well as the fact you’ve got the Jaguars on the AH64.
That i can agree with it is stupidely OP.
Much like when germany got the first heavy cruisers, or the fact that germany has dominated naval for a long time with the likes of the Scharnhorst.
Top tier ? its 10.3, top tiers not that badly done by it. If it were top tier or at least 11.3 most folks wouldn’t be as upset aboutit.
It’s not that great like man I beat em in a mirage 2000 without ARH missiles.
ARB is a cluster F*** rn so most flks end up headbutting missiles and not paying attention.
That being said it shouldn’t be the same BR as a mig29 SMT
I generally don’t see them that much anymore, due to the SPAA that were added.
as well as that the platform they’re on at least toes them into line a bit.
Not like you’ve got gripen levels of Flight performance firing them, But I get the sentiment.
Debatable?
The ones on teh AH64 also absolutely slam mate.
I mean, it “dominated” as no one had similar SPAA, not as if it was actually better, most nations just don’t have a similar system to it IRL.
As well as that, I’ve never particularly struggled with pantsir.
The new SPAA though make it downright impossible bar with the likes of the very best performing planes to get near the battlefield.
Depends when you look at it.
Germany for a long time before I began was the top dog.
Before them USA.
Then before that USSR.
It literally goes around in turns, look at ARB, it was absolutely dominated by the US for almost what 4 years?
From the F4e which at addition wasn’t OP but was banging good, to the F14 up until now when folks start to get gen 4.5s
mate, my first top tier was the CR2 , the only tank I never had issues with was the BVM, its got literally the same weak points as the T64A at 9.3
Turret ring, LFP, breach, as well as drivers port if your saucy enough.
The only nonsense with it was the ERA blocks eating shots, so shoot under them.
I had top tier in 2022 and can tell you the BVM was not really an issue.
Also most nations had and still have counters to it.
2a6 is a counter, 2a5, M1A2, CR2 is probably the worst to try and counter it, but it still does and can.
Thats the one, the T2 not the F2.
which BTW the F2 premium absolutely dominates its BR bracket as well xD
I mean it could lol pen literally everything it came across no matter the BR nor angle, dude I knows got videos of it one tapping panthers at a near 75 degree angle on the UFP xD
The mK3 TBH now is a bit power crept funnily enough but it’ll forever stay it’s BR due to the legacy stats.
i prefer their MBTs, the 8.0 (once 7.7) AMX30s are absolutely phenomenal, or they were anyways!
As well as that you got the likes of the surbaisse which has the same round and gun effectively as M103 but a 5 second reload.
French tanks slam, and have done for a long time, they just go under the radar.
like the MSC when it was added at 10.7 ripped the bracket apart.
I got it at 11.0 and spaded it’s a monster of an 11.0, bar the rounds pen being a bit on the low side.
It’s not really, you can notch it and make it miss a lot easier than the IRIS T.
Also you mentioned the pantsir dominating, some poor sodmade a comparisson a while ago, I’ll try dig it up for you, the pantisr at its peak had a KD of about 1.49 , the IRIS - T at it’s peak was sitting at I think just over 3.0 or just under it at a 2.89 (possibly 2.98).
The pantsir while could be annoying, was and is no where near as OP as the likes of IRIS t
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i disagree, this piece of crap can barely kill anything even though its a tandem atgm
You agree then. When i mean warhead, i mean kg of explosives.
Penetration is not a concern
it has 4.8 kilos and still sucks dog dookie
“Guys its totally balanced except for the part thats unbalanced”
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show us your stats with BMPT then lol. Cant look you up on either statshark or ingame.
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https://forum.warthunder.com/t/bmpt-72-should-not-be-10-3/292256/1227
Get more kills reliably than spike missiles right now.
Because it’s got the survivability of a top tier MBT at 10.3
mobility is great bay all standards and awesome compared to the level of protection.
You get 8 missiles so twice the amoun of everyone else and a very good autocannon.
That’s it. Completely broken
has to be somewhat good then. I’ve got 1.3 in my MMP