BMPT/72 BR Topic

[SwingfireOP]

@MightyBaozi

Hull down BMPTs can die to cas quite easily

Shame they introduced the new pantsir then huh, another ridiculous decision by gaijin.

[SwingfireOP]

Please post the rest of thr clip showing the actual hit, as it looks awfully like you hit the drivers port which means he’s not that hull down.

[MightyBaozi]

To quote myself here:

@MightyBaozi

Personally, the SMSV is much more of a pressing issue compared to the BMPT. It’s just that it doesn’t win games as flashy and as “seemingly” oppressive as the BMPT does. But there is a thread for that vehicle too.

[H_ngma]

@MightyBaozi

Reality is multiple BMPTs rushing at you are decently overwhelming, as many other tanks are

Players holding W instead of thinking is not an excuse for a blatantly broken damage model.
Why does the BMPT get a preferential ammo layout compared to similar vehicles like the Marder in the first place?

@MightyBaozi

Hull down BMPTs can die to cas quite easily

Literally the single hardest vehicle to kill as CAS in the entire game?

[MightyBaozi]

@H_ngma_

Literally the single hardest vehicle to kill as CAS in the entire game?

I’ve had a decent time with different cas platform against BMPTs. No APS means that it’ll eventually go down.

[H_ngma]

Yeah but other than maybe APS top tier tanks it’s still harder to kill than all other MBTs thanks to 5 crew, a broken damage model and Relikt.

But since you’re here. So far I haven’t had any luck in getting an answer for that question. Do the mods have any knowledge from the devs about this:

@H_ngma_

Why does the BMPT get a preferential ammo layout compared to similar vehicles like the Marder in the first place?

Because it’s really weird how the BMPTs ammo is modeled in such a way that it completely negates a big weakness of its design.

[SwingfireOP]

“Eventually go down”

So we hit it with god knows how many missiles until they eventually overpower the botched modelling.

Ridiculous.

[MightyBaozi]

Nah I’ve had a decent amount of single hit kills. Even with Mavs that have been quite bad at killing MBTs from my own experience.

[MightyBaozi]

@H_ngma_

But since you’re here. So far I haven’t had any luck in getting an answer for that question. Do the mods have any knowledge from the devs about this:

H_ngma_:

No. Forum Mods don’t usually exchange that much, if anything, with devs.

Excuse me if I miss certain questions, feel free to ask them again and I’ll see what I can answer.

[H_ngma]

Ok thank you for the answer. I’ve already raised that question with some tech mods but sadly they didn’t have an answer either.
It’s just a tad bit frustrating when there is such a wall of silence from Gaijin regarding such obvious preferential treatment.

[Zannafrancy]

@MightyBaozi

I would have to dig… but I can guarantee you release BMPT was a nightmare to kill through the LFP. Nowadays it’s much easier. I can post a couple of clips proving that it’s very squishy if there’s the need for it.

there is a WORLD of difference between “its easier to kill” and its “squishy” its objectively not squishy in lfp, its much more survivable than just about everything else even through lfp, the whenver i oneshot one its usually whenever i shoow the floor in side aspect or when it has already been damaged by teammates

[An_Pigeon]

@Zannafrancy

the f4j isnt good because of the cas, its good because its the strongest anti air at the br or very close to that.

Read what I said mate.
Also the F4J is poor as hell tbh.

[MightyBaozi]

@Zannafrancy

there is a WORLD of difference between “its easier to kill” and its “squishy” its objectively not squishy in lfp, its much more survivable than just about everything else even through lfp, the whenver i oneshot one its usually whenever i shoow the floor in side aspect or when it has already been damaged by teammates

Every shot that goes through the LFP is a kill. That’s squishy to me.

[SwingfireOP]

Every shot that goes through the lower frontal plate isn’t a kill, unless my own experience with it is a lie.

Your video is perfect conditions, In my experience a 0 degree shot into the middle of the lfp kills, hit to the sides and chances are they’re gonna take another shot to kill them.

You seem to be misunderstanding the actual issue. The issue isn’t that they never die, the issue is that they are ridiculously bugged and artificially buffed leading to the dammed thing being far more survivable than it should be.

[An_Pigeon]

@MightyBaozi

Every shot that goes through the LFP is a kill. That’s squishy to me.

they literally do not lol hell I show one clean through the LFP not 2 days ago, and nothin it barely killed 2 crew.
With the Merkava Mk4B or LIC can’t remember, so no it’s not every single shot dude.

@SwingfireOP

Your video is perfect conditions, In my experience a 0 degree shot into the middle of the lfp kills, hit to the sides and chances are they’re gonna take another shot to kill them.

BMPT driving clean through a smoke cloud, in an open road, is definitely perfect.

@SwingfireOP

You seem to be misunderstanding the actual issue. The issue isn’t that they never die, the issue is that they are ridiculously bugged and artificially buffed leading to the dammed thing being far more survivable than it should be

Bingo, it’s the fact one shot will kill one, you shoot the exact same spot, nothing.
It’s a wing and a prayer, then it shreds you if it survives with enough capabilities, which is often more than not.

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@MightyBaozi

Hull down BMPTs can die to cas quite easil

At least it isnt in the nation with the best anti ai… wait.

[Jεcka]

@SwingfireOP

You seem to be misunderstanding the actual issue. The issue isn’t that they never die, the issue is that they are ridiculously bugged and artificially buffed leading to the dammed thing being far more survivable than it should be.

When spall-liners were bugged, and it lead to situation where a Leopard 2A7V could drive around like the BMPT without dying a whole lot, the devs “fixed” that in +/- 2 weeks… says a lot doesn’t it, huh.

[An_Pigeon]

@Jεcka

When spall-liners were bugged, and it lead to situation where a Leopard 2A7V could drive around like the BMPT without dying a whole lot, the devs “fixed” that in +/- 2 weeks… says a lot doesn’t it, huh.

Lol yeah remember that.
Wasn’t even 2 whole weeks I don’t think

[Crazed_Otter]

I think it was a matter of days. Plus at the time, the 2A7 wasn’t backed up the best helo ATGM, the best CAS, the best SAM…and so on.

It was annoying - but being an absolute top-tier end of tree vehicle you weren’t running into hordes of them even while they were plainly broken vs. frontal aspect shots.

[MightyBaozi]

Would you mind showing clips of your issues with the BMPT?

@SwingfireOP

You seem to be misunderstanding the actual issue. The issue isn’t that they never die, the issue is that they are ridiculously bugged and artificially buffed leading to the dammed thing being far more survivable than it should be.

I’m not even arguing about that, putting words in my mouth that I’ve not said isn’t the best way to communicate with someone. I’ve said that the tank is squishy once you shoot it in either the LFP or the side (properly aimed shots, that is).

@An Pigeon

BMPT driving clean through a smoke cloud, in an open road, is definitely perfect.

I’ve had LFP kills from all angles.