Who think BMPT now be balanced is even more either ignorance, bias or both.
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Wonder what would happen if every autocannon vehicle in game got their internal ammo bits switched to external models to match the bMPt.
BR changes will not resolve the bmpt issue it just dumps the issue on every other BR and more and more people will turn to the forums to complain and this continues - the issue is the modelling so either change the model of the bmpt or alter every vehicle to match the modelling of the bmpt.
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If even half of the non-RUS autocannon vehicles were given the same ‘unique modelling’ as the BMPT…
It would be complete and total carnage - hilarious - but carnage. It just illustrates how borked the whole situation is.
‘One rule for thee, but not for me.’
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Wouldn’t it be amazing no one would ever drive an mbt ever again
The best bit would be that NATO/West has a metric tonne of wheeled autocannon vehicles that would be running amok. It would be like Mario Kart with automatic weaponry.
You’d then get RU-Mains on the forums screaming how unfair it would all be. If this topic is anything to go by - self-awareness is not one of their strong-suits…
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Honestly the BMPT issue has gotten worse since they increased the BR of it. Now it’s all you go against if you play 11.7.
MotorolaRUS is still blindly defending the BMPT? Color me surprised, his bias knows no bounds.
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I think one thing that’s making it feel worse is Russia’s line up at that BR and 12.7 is very strong (it feels that’s way anyway, I’m sure someone will come along and tell me it’s bad idk)
Combine it with some very strong T-80s, Russia’s amazing SPAA and good CAS - the results are frustrating
I think one thing a lot of the BMPT defenders aren’t considering is how it dictates a match with how damn distracting it is - even if it’s not slaughtering its way across a map like it did at lower BRs, the damn thing is so hard to kill that the rest the BMPTs team are able to pick off opposing MBTs that are firing at it because the BMPT HAS to be dealt with ASAP
You get a hull down BMPT on both the left and right flanks of a fairly small domination map, it’s pretty much game over - no one can make a push, no one can kill the damn thing, all while the fairly nimble T series tanks are making moves that would otherwise get them killed, and picking off tanks trying to kill the BMPTs
THAT is what is making it so very toxic
And then you realize Russian 57mm at 7.0 doesn’t have access to darts.
What would happen if their non-hull ammo was modelled as external ?
They’d still be easily shredded to death by other autocannon vehicles and MBTs of similar BR as they have paper armor.
which we know isnt the case because they never would have dropped the BMPTs at 10.3… a simple ammo comparison vs armour would have told them that nothing ammo wise at 10.3 had the ability to kill it effectively, let alone ANYTHING at 9.3. PUMA was the same problem, KA50, Harrier GR1 was the same problem etc.
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Decline, sure. Big enough decline? Debatable.
I wouldnt call a 0.3 increase drastic for a vehicle thats consistently played in top tier especially considering that sometimes facing 12.7 lineups makes barely a difference to its damage model.
They just went from giga broken to less broken by giving it a buff while doing the big BR move.
Thats alright, a pure armament comparison is absolutely enough to come to the conclusion that those things shouldnt be at 13.3 in air rb let alone 12.3 in ground.
That decline was only because of the first BR change, if you look at Feb to March its actually staying the same, meaning what I said prior before. lower skilled players are leaving the vehicle and its higher skilled players keeping it where its at, we have seen this before with stuff like the G91YS etc.
Also its funny you mention decline in stats but thats ONLY for the premium BMPT, the BMPT-72 actually goes up from Dec to Jan proving my point again, its not actually till Jan to Feb the TT goes down BUT that was also when it hit 11.3 meaning it was getting dragged up and Feb to March shows it was holding after that BR change. Need April to May to really see how far its changed but the decline your talking about isnt that big.
Not especially when now that many BMPT players are taking these into 12.7 lobbies and I know they are because my lineup has CAS and my lowest BR is always 12.7 because of it.
I also implore you to look at the BR table as well when switching Dates because shocker, from December through to March Russia saw an insane W/R spike throughout the BR ranges of 10.7 to 12.7 and the only major addition was the BMPTs
Changing br’s won’t help you, simply because for every one of your shots, you get 20 in return, which completely disables your tank and you have no way to respond. This happened in past like Puma and Hstv. The “Russian connection” simply haunts you.
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BMPT lost almost 1 K/D in that time period.
Premium one lost almost 0.5 K/D.
That’s a massive change in just a few months.
I was talking about the initial +1 BR increase that happened in less than a month after release.
I’m sure you wouldn’t call this broken if the name BMPT wasn’t attached to it.
Would be true if armaments are the only thing that matters, but that isn’t the case.
In order of November through to March.
Look at what BRs saw spikes in W/R and where the BMPT was in BR in terms of ranges. nothing else got added that made such an impact, you can argue stats declined but reality is collectively it jumped W/Rs across entire BR brackets for months
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Massive yes but still debatable if its enough.
Ah okay sure that one was high but seeing that they have to increase it again it apparently wasnt drastic enough.
If the name BMPT wasnt attached to it it wouldnt rock a blatantly broken, biased damage model and therefore wouldnt be broken. And were still talking about a 60% winrate for both.
True but in this case the armaments alone are justification enough to give it a higher BR than 13.3 which is precisely what i said. They are Flankers and use the same Radar as the 13.7 SU27SM. it doesnt take 1000 games in 13.3 Air RB to make a statement.
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Don’t rely on win rates; the online isn’t that big in this game, and people obsessed with numbers and statistics always jump on strong machines. This can instantly skew win rate.
A good example, if you don’t believe me, is the French Rafale in ARB at 14.7. It currently has an incredible 65% win rate with Statshark (u can check it).
Have you seen the cries on the forums about how unfair this is? The suggestions in the April balance threads to move the Rafale higher?
Of course not, and it’s all because the stats people are doing their job. Farming stats.
you realise how W/R works right? you have to spawn the vehicle for it too count, just being in the lineup doesnt add to W/R going up, you then still have to win the game for that to even add up. KDR or KPS is a more inflated stat because I can literally wait to spawn an IFV for spawn campers and kill 2+ tanks at spawn
Oh yeah because its insanely easy in war thunder top tier to just immediately swap tech tree towards whats powerful in a certain patch…
I assume you havent been in any air rb centered forum since 16 December 2024?