only indestructibility of russian ammo in autoloader
you didn’t hit the auto loader the first shot and second shot looks the same. Were you shooting upwards?
If you hit the ammo which rests even lower it’s an instant kill.
In the last two BR increases Gaijin never said it might be enough though.
Me neither.
As I said, release is a completely different thing to balance that happens next.
They can be wrong, but the likelihood of them being wrong decreases with every month that has passed.
BMPT got moved up to 11.3 on 13th of January, so not even a month after release which to me seems like a really quick response (considering the holidays) backed up by limited data.
After that has happened, BMPTs remained at 11.3 for quite a while before they got increased to 11.7 with a note that pushing them to 12.0 might be a stretch.
I genuinely dont know how to nicely even put this.
If vehicle A over-performs unreasonably well than all the other similar vehicles at its current battle rating then vehicle A goes up in BR.
If vehicle A doesnt over-perform and infact functions fine and fair compared to similar vehicles of its BR then it does not go up nor down.
If vehicle A under-performs unreasonably worse than all the other similar vehicles at its current battle rating then vehicle A doesnt go up in BR.
Its a pretty simple to understand principle of balancing.
You either balance a vehicle directly, i.e. changes to its performance through taking or giving of rounds/reload times/armor/etc. or you balance it via the BR.
There is no “land of the extremes” and im starting to get pretty annoyed by your inability to understand basic concepts. The problem isnt that the BMPT is powerful, its HOW powerful it is in comparison to its contemporary vehicles it faces.
Now i have had arguments with you before, and you just seem to always point towards stat shark when it suits you. The fact you dont own the vehicle and yet are so vocal and argumentative about it the very same way you were vocal and argumentative about top tier helicopters despite not owning a single one of them tells me that either you have nothing better to do than to argue with people for arguing sake, have ulterior motive or are just dumb.
I own BMPT, I play BMPT. In fact I play it at 13.0 very often as it is a part of my lineup and I can tell you that it IS currently good enough to go up to 12.7 and not face too many issues.
Now if gaijin finally decide to make turret ammo detonation an actual weakspot as it should be then we can discuss about it being lower BR as it would finally have a way of dealing with this thing.
However unless they finally decide to explain publicly why in gods name a system with a belt connected all the way to ammo stowage inside the hull somehow has two different “types” of belts there where the “outside” part counts as external ammo and doesnt detonate the entire belt despite being connected, this vehicle needs to go higher in BR.
BMPT72 would under normal circumstances be 12.0, similarly as HSTVL. BMPT on the other hand needs to go higher as it is a full on upgrade over BMPT72 in survivability. I care not if they put it at 12.3 or 12.7 but it has to go higher, it is a top tier 5 man chassis with unmanned skeletal turret, very efficient ATGMs with ammo box and APDS capable of crippling or destroying even top tier MBTs.
It has no business to be at the battle rating it is with the capabilities it has.
If your response is gonna be another strawman argument of saying StatShark 3 times like youre summoning Beetlejuice you can save both of us the time and just not bother.
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They also didn’t rule out further changes this time.
The Argument still relies on Gaijin acting in good faith regarding the BMPTs and balancing in general when there’s ample proof of them doing the opposite. Or would you say that they are acting in good faith regarding the premium SU30s?
Wow, you definitely enlightened me with this one.
If vehicle A that deserves 10.0 for example goes to 9.7 it’ll perform better than the average 9.7 vehicle but not by a lot, thus it will be slightly too strong.
If that same vehicle goes to 9.0 it’ll perform much better than the average 9.0 vehicle, thus it will be dominant there.
So yeah, just because something moved up in BR doesn’t mean it was dominant there.
Me not owning a vehicle doesn’t stop me from playing against it though.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
My dude you’re literally trying to disprove Gaijin statements and data from hundreds of thousands of games by just your opinion.
Hmm, I’ve played it and I’m confident I know better than developers themselves and global stats. - kedrigern, a forum ego tripper
clearly not because youre incompetent at reading. The fault is mine, i should have underlined and fattened the word UNREASONABLY. My apologies.
You not owning a vehicle and then defending it tirelessly does however make you seem, well biased would be the most accurate term. Especially when arguing with many other people that DO own the vehicle and have first hand experience with it.
You are most welcome.
i guess saving both of us the time is not exactly something you are competent to do.
Im honestly not even going to bother. If you think that what i said is ego-trip then you are an idiot.
And also given that the developers are very often out of touch with the community this entire argument of yours is just another strawman.
Dont bother responding, im not going to read it, its not going to be even worth trying to engage with.
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They monitor efficiency of all vehicles regardless, that’s how BR changes happen in the first place…
BMPT moved up from 10.3 to 11.3 in less than a month, but it took them months to increase it to 11.7, which shows that initial +1 BR definitely made a big dent in it’s performance levels.
Haven’t played that BR in Air in a long time so I don’t know.
Same my dude, I thought you understood the difference between dominant and slightly strong.
I’m fine with them moving up from 11.3.
Although I’m not really for them moving up to 12.7 or some other unreasonable BR.
Me not having BMPTs doesn’t mean I can’t notice if my other 11.3 / 11.7 vehicles struggle against them or not.
Same as if 2A7V went down to 11.0 and started spanking my 10.7 / 11.0 lineups. I don’t need to play 2A7V to notice that lol.
It pretty much is but it’s fine my man, it’s not your fault that you can’t see it.
But please continue rating your own personal experience above everything else, it’s really funny to read.
Sure you will, due to your condition you can’t help yourself.
It’s funny how pish Russians are when you play the lower BRs BMP-T and their CAS options are massive crutches
Better show them, champ.
Or it didnt and instead moving them up earlier would have made a big dent in Gaijins bank account? Of course theyre (hopefully) monitoring all vehicles but again youre assuming that Gaijin is acting in 100% good faith for balance without any ulterior motives.
Then do take a quick peek into the thread i linked or objectively compare the 2 prem SU30s with planes at the same BR.
Well top tier you win one in ten, Russian teams near always have a nuke
lower BR without Kh-38 and BMP-T winning closer to one in three, Russian mains highest kills are closer to 6 than 12
Still too many nukes on BMPT on a downtier. Dominiates a point and there’s nothing 10.7 tanks can do. 100% needs to move to 12.7 being able to hold down a point without any contest.
Statshark is a 3rd party site that makes no money from BMPTs being obnoxiously strong, but it still shows a decline in performance from December through January to February.
So lets recap:
- Gaijin moved it up a full BR very quickly and then paused with BR changes for a while.
- 3rd party app showing significant drop in performance in that time period as well.
- It’s common sense to expect a significant change in any vehicle’s performance if it receives such a drastic BR change.
Gaijin could have ulterior motives when it comes to cash, but they’ve already shown on BMPTs they aren’t letting things in a broken state for long, even if it’d bring them money. I could see them leaving certain vehicles a step lower than they deserve as a marketing trick though, but leaving (allegedly) 12.7 worthy vehicles at 11.3 for months seems very far fetched.
I’m not really good at comparing planes outside their armaments and things like that.
Flight models, radars, etc. are equally as important so objectively comparing stuff without knowing that is impossible.
Yeah I think the 2S38 should also go down in BR to like 7.0, because the Russian 57mm is a 7.0 armement type of argument. Kinda stupid, he completely ignores what makes the BMPT du much superior to the BMP in the war thunder META
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And your “doubt” gets what exactly?
What ?
because the whole turret itself was not modelled as intented.
BMPT would have better K/D ratio if top tier wouldnt have so many ODL players.
Me, personally, I have joined 0DL club (zero) and Im avoiding playing BMPT bracket all together.