and for example give apfsds and put in 11.3 or 11.7 germany what have in this br to counter this? much nations no have this br…
and now it will be BMPTs.
Im not looking forward to the first sale for it. That BR is going to be 16 BMPTs vs
You cannot seriously be complaining about the 2A7… right? Its still one of the better tanks for top tier.
War thunder is no longer free to play, it’s pay to win and even pay to play. Like someone has to pay me to actually play 9.3 to 10.3 right now.
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Make it a betting match where we can watch and bet SL to see which one survives.
The missiles are the best ones at their respective BR and the guns while missing APFSDS have more than double the fire rate of a bushmaster or an MK30. Am i missing something on why they would be subpar for 10.3?
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And shoot the right side of the turret and the left barrel will demolish you.
the man talking about spall liner!!! why twist the words? yeah is a good tank but the spall liner is not that good…
I was thinking the BMPTs all on one team, but eyah, ban BMPT from the main MM and create a seperate gamemode for them which is just a free-for-all :D
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You can’t seem to select the lower fire rate in game too now that you mention it unlike all the other 2A42 cannons, but considering how rushed this patch was its probably an oversight since you manually have to select low firerate.
I’ve seen first hand someone stock grinding the tank just barrel my friend over and over again from range, because APHE just does so much damage to barrels.
It took it going to a 5v1 for my friend to die.
Puma is the only other sub-par armament at 10.3 I can think of.
The rest have APFSDS and 1000mm class missiles.
@H_ngma
800mm pen ATGMs are average around 9.0 for all other tech trees, including Soviets.
And if APDS doesn’t matter, why is M3 Bradley 8.3? APDS clearly matters for effectiveness.
That and everyone’s major complaint is the T-72B armor that the BMPT has, making it a challenge to deal with.
Yeah and its the highest until we hit spike territory. The difference being that the 9M120-1 goes 550ms and the Tow 329ms. Ergo it is literally the best missile before FnF ordinance.
Ofc it does but the Bradley has less than half the fire rate and none of the other boons so dont really see what that comparison is about, the bradley is clearly not insane at its br.
STRF 9040C says hello
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Over 180mm angled pen APFSDS [effective against angled RHA plates of over 90mm thick according to the statcard]. Strf 9040C is very much on-par for the BR and for the other class of autocannon vehicles it sits in.
The fact Puma’s the same BR as Strf 9040C is the weird one.
Higher speed for missiles tend to be more difficult to do minor corrections for.
And as I stated, peoples’ primary concern seems to be T-72B’s armor.
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In my experience the atgms have been fairly easy to use mid-long range, only downside of the missiles is the low placement (especially 2nd row) on the TT one. So I wouldn’t say speed is a con here.
Neither would I say it’s a con.
I’m more saying speed isn’t particularly relevant due to how players can prefer different speeds, making any data rather muddy.
Hmmm, I guess? Personally, the speed is a bonus as you are far more likely to catch an enemy before they reverse back to cover. But I can see that having time to aim can be useful with a slower missile.
The autocannon might be ok but the 9040C, the PUMA and the 2S38 are the only Autocannon only vehicles at 10.3+ so while having better offense thant the PUMA its still undergunned.
No those 2 being at the same BR makes sense. One has more pen on its cannon but the other has better armor, an active protection system and a crewless turret.
True but you also stated
which is not true
The BMPT is 10.3 weapons on 12.0+ protection with a crewless turret at 10.3. Its completely obvious that its under BRed
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It’s 13.0 protection at 10.3, it’s criminally and diabolically under BR’d. There isn’t a single vehicle like it at 10.3.
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Oh yeah for me it’s also mostly either against Russia or fully mixed, but 10.3 Russia seems to have such an upwards pull at the moment that I barely see any 10.3 games with my US 10.7 lineup.
The T-62 armor is only good against bad players and autocannons.
TURM III armor is only good against autocannons.
So while on paper the T-62 is clearly a lot better than the turm when it comes to armor, however in reality there is almost no difference between fighting the 2.
You somehow trying to convince yourself that the T-62 deserves to be a higher BR than the Turm III was funny though.
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It is , actually more well armored than 13.0 simply due to the fact you can’t reliably kill it. The weakspot are there but they are extremely unreliable. Side shot does not matter much.