Whose list is this? someone here who has 80% winning rate on top tier and 4-5kd rated the Merkavas 4M being the second best followed by the 2A7/122B as he placed them in the same #1 spot. The forum member IHаteCAS (magik) also has 5.0 KD on his Abrams and 2A7 with 70% winning rate, judging by the numbers he probably rate the Abrams being #2
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Can you read?
someone here who has 80% winning rate on top tier and 4-5kd rated the Merkavas 4M being the second best followed by the 2A7/122B as he placed them in the same #1 spot. The forum member IHаteCAS (magik) also has 5.0 KD on his Abrams and 2A7 with 70% winning rate, judging by the numbers he probably rate the Abrams being #2
Cool, i’m comparing them by their capabilities, not by “how well i’ve done in them and therefore i’m judging them that way”. I have 2.5 K/D avg on my SEP, i still don’t consider it to be Top 5 capable.
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sure, but that cuts both ways, ur position that 12.7 is unwarranted is also an opinion, and one you haven’t backed up with anything concrete. What specific weakness of the BMPT-72 justifies keeping it at 11.7?
The BMPT-72 runs dual 30mm with APDS, if one cannon dies the other can still run, its capable of penning most IFVs and light vehicles frontally, Ataka ATGMs for MBT threats, solid gun elevation (not good, but just enough) for hull-down play, and reasonable crew survivability. At 11.7 it faces vehicles it hard-counters with minimal risk that’s the definition of undertiered
This Is a straight up lie.
mirroring the original line without adding substance isn’t an argument. If you have a capability breakdown that disproves 12.7, post i otherwise you’re just asserting a conclusion.
dismissing Jecka’s lineup performance as “just an anecdote” is ironic when your entire counterargument is also anecdotal.
T58 is pay walled but broken yes. BMPT would of been less oppressive with 3 crew vs 5 crew . Not to mention it sits at a BR with ERA and ungodly survivability. T58 is easy to kill compared to BMPT.
what in the copium is this?
TKX/Type 10 is better than Leo2A7s and Strv122B+? might as well put leclerc at the number one
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A lineup is subjective to how a person likes to play. So realistically it doesn’t matter. As long as they’re having fun. Not going to argue about which top tier tank is better than another.
Gonna hide that sweet sweet double barrels + ATGM + un-modelled turret + RNG ERAs/armor wagon.
In the hand of experience players - can you kill it? Look in the mirror and proudly say YES.
brother. it was objectively that the Leos2A7s and Strv122 is better, there is no need to be subjective here. you can like whatever you want but it is the universal truth that both of them is the best tank ATM.
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Whatever you say man, we can hash it out left and right. Like I said regardless it’s subjective. Skin the potato however you like. End of the day it’s going to be useless arguing based on what you like vs what I like. Anything else you got to say take it to the DMs
By that logic nothing in the game is undertiered. You can kill a Maus with a biplane if you’re patient enough killable = balanced.
The actual argument isn’t whether the BMPT-72 can be killed, Its whether its capability profile matches its BR. An un modelled turret and RNG ERA are bugs and modeling issues, not balance features those are things that should be reported and fixed, not used as justification to keep it undertiered, ur essentially arguing “it’s fine because it’s broken in ways that sometimes hurt it.”
The dual 30mm + ATGM combo at 11.7 is the actual issue, it hard-counters IFVs and light vehicles that it regularly faces, and the ATGMs give it a legitimate answer to MBTs + It has really good survivability and great armor profile. That’s a strong kit for that BR.
Also the “in the hands of experienced players” qualifier works for literally every vehicle, an experienced player in an uptier M1A1 can still dominate does that mean the M1A1 is overtiered? that argument proves nothing
That said a good M1A1 player vs a good BMPT player in the same match → you clearly can see the gap.
i dont know what are you trying to say without details, the result varies because we dont have an instantaneous outcome, i cant see whatever you are seeing in your head that’s gonna happen, there is no substract in what you said, you need to explain im not a genie
Not solely my opinion though as thousands of matches indicate the same thing.
Calling me rusmain is funny as well, happens a lot when people lack proper arguments.
Nah, even before the BR change I’ve said premium BMPT could be 11.7 and TT one at 12.0, but I do indeed oppose ridiculous changes based on a whim.
Your experience is just that, an anecdote.
Same as mine though, which is why I look at something that isn’t limited on thoughts and feelings of a single person.
Nah, just exposing the community and their trait of ignoring stupid stuff when it isn’t part of a particular nation.
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With the ammount of bugs it has now I couldnt think of any scenario that I cant kill it unless the player is just straight up brain death.
Well that’s the point other nations don’t have a lineup which means that the BMPT plays other BRs than its own. And according to the numbers it has to be BRs higher than its own. So it’s fair to assume that the bmpts winrate is good despite playing against higher ranked vehicles not because it claps lower BRs mainly.
Seeing how premium BMPT had 1.27 K/D in March at 11.3, I highly doubt it deserves to be bumped up by more than a full BR, unless of course you want to do this to every vehicle with similar performance.
Watch out guys, 7.3 weaponry is going through.
What is a lie, that Fuji at 11.7 can face 12.7s ?
I’m not the one that needs to post “proof” to stop it from going to 12.7.
You and others alike have that burden though.
Vehicle with 1.27 K/D at 11.3 is a 12.7 material for what reasons ?
Yeah, personal experience beats thousands of games recorded over the months ?
Smart cookie, aren’t you ?
2A42 is not a 7.3 BR weapon. It first appears on the BMP-2 at 8.7 BR. 7.3 BR has the 2A72 30mm gun on the BTR-80.
2A72 =! 2A42
2A72 is a slower firing weapon that should also have inferior dispersion.
1.27 K/D is the only concrete number you’ve posted, and you’re doing a lot of work with it. K/D alone doesn’t tell you much it doesn’t account for spawn cost, game mode, map control, or how the vehicle is actually played. A support vehicle that keeps its distance will always have a moderate K/D even while dominating, and let me remind you the bmpt 72 as a premium will be spawned by people with no skills, wich its very common and even those people can struggle with such a vehicle
“7.3 weaponry” — the 2A42 fires APDS with enough penetration to go through the sides of MBTs and frontally through virtually any IFV it faces at 11.7. Calling that 7.3 weaponry because the cannon its seen since the bmp2 its just rebuttal, you are acting like if autocannons havent been since vehicles from lower br’s to even higher br’s, its still a capable autocannon, and you still want to diminish what it can do
You also said “I’m not the one who needs to post proof” in the same post where you cited a stat without a source. Where’s that 1.27 K/D from? Thunderskill? What sample size? What timeframe? "Thousands of games"from what players is your claim, back it up, because i can just search it and bring out different stats to what you claim.
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You’re using that data again…lol
Like you really see no different between drunk drivers and sober ones … tell me which of these two type of driver you want for a ride?
Wait, I thought BMPTs being at 11.3 made playing 10.3 and 10.7 impossible due to constant spam ?