Both things can be true? We’re talking about almost 3 million games between them lol
Support vehicle that can allegedly just hold W and delete everything it faces as it doesn’t take damage ?
Nothing indicates premium vehicles perform worse than their TT counterparts.
It’s still a mid tier APDS round.
It’s from March.
I thought it’s obvious I’m talking about the latest published stats, but apparently you never know.
Works for all vehicles…
Are we in the BMPT thread?
You just said “nothing indicates premium vehicles perform worse than their TT counterparts” — the stats I posted show exactly that. BMPT at 1.91 K/D vs BMPT-72 at 1.49 K/D, same BR. That’s a 28% performance gap between the tech tree and premium version, which is precisely the premium player effect in action. The data you asked for disproves your own point.
“Mid tier APDS round” penetration values don’t care what tier you call the round. It goes through what it goes through at 11.7, and that’s what matters for BR placement.
“It’s from March, obviously” you cited a single month of a premium vehicle’s K/D without sample size context and called it proof. The full stats I posted cover millions of games across the vehicle’s entire lifespan and still show the BMPT-72 performing above average despite the premium playerbase drag. That’s a much stronger dataset than one month.
At this point you’ve had the stats, the capability breakdown, and the context. The argument’s been made. Anyone reading this thread can draw their own conclusions.
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Thousands (more like millions) of matches indicate above average performance compared to some of the best 11.7s and therefore proving both BMPTs can go up more, there, it’s settled, feel free to cry now. If a vehicle can have hundreds of thousands of games, and outperform the best MBTs of its BR with less games, then yeah, it’s overperforming, case closed.
Nah, even before the BR change I’ve said premium BMPT could be 11.7 and TT one at 12.0, but I do indeed oppose ridiculous changes based on a whim.
TT one is clear 12.7 material outright, vastly superior survivability to the premium one.
Nah, just exposing the community and their trait of ignoring stupid stuff when it isn’t part of a particular nation.
And it’s still called deflecting… you’re full of it tbh
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Premium BMPT is an objective downgrade to TT one so comparing TT and premium playerbase on that example is pretty moot. Try looking up stats for March (or other months) on other pretty popular premiums like HC, KVT or PzBtl 123 and then compare them to their copies found in TTs.
Your 28% difference is suddenly gone, wonder why.
Yes, only if you’re being ignorant.
Yeah ?
Why would I cite data from December or something when it’s May now and March data was available weeks ago.
I hope you realize those stats contain games from way back when BMPTs were at <11.0, so using that to claim they’re still too strong for 11.3 or 11.7 and should go to 12.7 makes no sense.
Also, premium playerbase drag doesn’t exist.
Those BMPT stats were recorded at 11.3 though.
I was hoping that’s simple enough to understand.
That difference in survivability is definitely worth a BR step.
And the community is still filled with two-faced members that get on their malding sprees fueled by ignorance and IRL biases.
Not true, monthly will show you stats for the months.
The full stats I posted cover millions of games across the vehicle’s entire lifespan
Please read before replying.
Ah I see, he’s using full stats. That’s not going to help anything
Oh hell no, this is a joke. Not when 2a7/122s, m1a2, c2bn, leclerc or type 10 exist. Even if person who said that has 15kd.
Speaking of bmpt. If developer refuses to impove other autocannon+atgm carriers like puma, kf41 etc. Then developer should nerf bmpt until it gets similar stats - below 1 kd. Would be fair for all imo.
Don’t forget the Ariete AMV
You’re right, the BMPT should be 14.0 so it can only go against other BMPT.
For multiple reasons this vehicle is still overtuned, going up in BR will not help, they will just slowly push it to top tier until they realise that it needs a fundamental rework.
It’s very unreliable to kill even from the side. Shooting the ammo does nothing it can still shoot and it doesn’t blow up since the ammo is split into multiple models in the vehicle. You can’t shoot the launcher or disable its guns since it has both launchers and barrels on both sides so it will still be able to shoot back. The tech tree variant has 5 crew that sits split up in their own little boxes so it’s pretty hard sometimes to one-shot. If one of these vehicles finds a hull down position it is simply invincible.
Other than that this vehicle completely destroys the matchmaker at 11.7 now since there are like 100 Russia nation players searching for a game, 16 USA players, 10 Germany players and the other nations have between 1-6. So the only nation you are matched against is Russia. Since many players buy premium at 11.7 this will be very very boring for too many people to only get match against a single nation match after match after match.
Why are we all debating BRs when the entire problem is the insanely broken damage model?
Fix. The. Goddam. Model. And then we can talk about where the BMPT deserves to be BR wise. Right now it literally does not matter whether it’s fighting a 10.3 CV90 or a 12.7 2A7V, as long as its hull down none of the 2 will be able to reliably kill it.
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Precisely, the BR problem is a waste of time. The damage model needs a total refactoring, the fact that it can take as much damage as it currently does should not be a thing. From the “external belts” to ERA being able to deflect and degrade top tier APFSDS to almost nothing. The BR bump has made top tier even more unbearable, and the BMPT spam has killed all desire I had to play.
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but according to the people “its so easy to kill trough the hull” this isnt even the first time i’ve had it happen where the hull ammo just explodes and does absolutely nothing
You did miss that shot unfortunately. You should of aimed for the head
joke
It looks like it ate it which unfortunately happens from time to time.
Sure, 12.7 vs 12.0
And the community is still filled with two-faced members that get on their malding sprees fueled by ignorance and IRL biases.
Irrelevant.
Those BMPT stats were recorded at 11.3 though.
I was hoping that’s simple enough to understand.
And they didnt get much worse since then, so clearly it can go up
More likely 12.0 vs 11.7.
We have no idea how they’ll perform at 11.7 in comparison to 11.3.
Even Gaijin thought about moving them to 12.0 but they backed out of it for the time being. Something worthy of 12.7 should definitely have good enough stats to be moved up from 11.3 to 12.0 in a single update.
