That abomination shouldnt face any vehicles as long as Gaijin refuses to fix its blatantly broken damage mode.
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You can’t abuse a tank that can take it.
2nd and 3rd best? Impossible
Why? Put the Strv 122B+ at rank 1 and thats a solid top 3
Abrams is definitely #1 followed by TKX then STRV PLSS. I’m wondering who said leo 2As are even reputable 💀
It’s debatable but people here regularly put the 2A7 variants into the top 3 with good reason
Lmao what, Abrams doesn’t even make it to top 5.
- 122B+
- 2A7HU
- 2A7V
- 122A/B
- Type 10
As long as you all are having fun I guess…
When saying in here I meant the forum as a whole, not this topic.
T58 is a fine example of how oppressive vehicles can go unnoticed just because they aren’t a part of a certain nation.
In your opinion.
And they can see 12.7s, unlike BMPTs.
Thanks for sharing your anecdote.
Pretending that it needs to be at 12.7 to be balanced is either ignorance, bias or both.
It was neither for nor against, just a quick reminder that achieving WRs in a tier where only your nation has a good lineup isn’t something special.
And your opinion is the opposite, obviously, considering you’re the rusmain lol.
Thanks for sharing your anecdote.
Thanks for sharing your speculations.
Pretending that it needs to be at 12.7 to be balanced is either ignorance, bias or both.
Well, not pretending, but rather first hand experience in it, can’t say the same for you ;)
You always defend anything russian without even breaking a sweat, after all, you’ve been doing that since the old forum :)
Always the same excuses, always the same “but what about this other thing”, and always acting like every argument against you is an anecdote or an opinion, man you haven’t changed in years, keep it up, maybe Gaijin will actually hire you to be their chief defender too :P
And they can see 12.7s, unlike BMPTs.
Yeah they can
When saying in here I meant the forum as a whole, not this topic.
And it’s called deflecting
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Whose list is this? someone here who has 80% winning rate on top tier and 4-5kd rated the Merkavas 4M being the second best followed by the 2A7/122B as he placed them in the same #1 spot. The forum member IHаteCAS (magik) also has 5.0 KD on his Abrams and 2A7 with 70% winning rate, judging by the numbers he probably rate the Abrams being #2
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Can you read?
someone here who has 80% winning rate on top tier and 4-5kd rated the Merkavas 4M being the second best followed by the 2A7/122B as he placed them in the same #1 spot. The forum member IHаteCAS (magik) also has 5.0 KD on his Abrams and 2A7 with 70% winning rate, judging by the numbers he probably rate the Abrams being #2
Cool, i’m comparing them by their capabilities, not by “how well i’ve done in them and therefore i’m judging them that way”. I have 2.5 K/D avg on my SEP, i still don’t consider it to be Top 5 capable.
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sure, but that cuts both ways, ur position that 12.7 is unwarranted is also an opinion, and one you haven’t backed up with anything concrete. What specific weakness of the BMPT-72 justifies keeping it at 11.7?
The BMPT-72 runs dual 30mm with APDS, if one cannon dies the other can still run, its capable of penning most IFVs and light vehicles frontally, Ataka ATGMs for MBT threats, solid gun elevation (not good, but just enough) for hull-down play, and reasonable crew survivability. At 11.7 it faces vehicles it hard-counters with minimal risk that’s the definition of undertiered
This Is a straight up lie.
mirroring the original line without adding substance isn’t an argument. If you have a capability breakdown that disproves 12.7, post i otherwise you’re just asserting a conclusion.
dismissing Jecka’s lineup performance as “just an anecdote” is ironic when your entire counterargument is also anecdotal.
T58 is pay walled but broken yes. BMPT would of been less oppressive with 3 crew vs 5 crew . Not to mention it sits at a BR with ERA and ungodly survivability. T58 is easy to kill compared to BMPT.
what in the copium is this?
TKX/Type 10 is better than Leo2A7s and Strv122B+? might as well put leclerc at the number one
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A lineup is subjective to how a person likes to play. So realistically it doesn’t matter. As long as they’re having fun. Not going to argue about which top tier tank is better than another.
Gonna hide that sweet sweet double barrels + ATGM + un-modelled turret + RNG ERAs/armor wagon.
In the hand of experience players - can you kill it? Look in the mirror and proudly say YES.
brother. it was objectively that the Leos2A7s and Strv122 is better, there is no need to be subjective here. you can like whatever you want but it is the universal truth that both of them is the best tank ATM.
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Whatever you say man, we can hash it out left and right. Like I said regardless it’s subjective. Skin the potato however you like. End of the day it’s going to be useless arguing based on what you like vs what I like. Anything else you got to say take it to the DMs
By that logic nothing in the game is undertiered. You can kill a Maus with a biplane if you’re patient enough killable = balanced.
The actual argument isn’t whether the BMPT-72 can be killed, Its whether its capability profile matches its BR. An un modelled turret and RNG ERA are bugs and modeling issues, not balance features those are things that should be reported and fixed, not used as justification to keep it undertiered, ur essentially arguing “it’s fine because it’s broken in ways that sometimes hurt it.”
The dual 30mm + ATGM combo at 11.7 is the actual issue, it hard-counters IFVs and light vehicles that it regularly faces, and the ATGMs give it a legitimate answer to MBTs + It has really good survivability and great armor profile. That’s a strong kit for that BR.
Also the “in the hands of experienced players” qualifier works for literally every vehicle, an experienced player in an uptier M1A1 can still dominate does that mean the M1A1 is overtiered? that argument proves nothing