More of an extreme mobility example but I get the point about MBTs doing the same thing
yeah no i get that but honestly i prefer my black knight over wheeled vehicles any day idk why
I was responding to a guy that literally said just that.
What was your point of replying ?
Premium BMPT should definitely be able to see 10.7 vehicles.
you didnt, you even mentioned him.
there is literally 0 difference among every bmpt except slightly more armor(wich makes no difference since they both can stop the same shells) and the TT one has 5 crew wich ofc makes it more survivable but they are both equally as insufferable, mind you the 10.7 vehicles have shells that cant spall enough to kill let alone to reliably disable the thing
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I’m going to give Britain 🇬🇧 a try, I am going to need to grind something other than playing BR 10.3 or higher for a while. Germanys been trash and I already grinded a few trees might as well wait out the BMPT by playing those tea making tanks.
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Average forumer can’t even follow a conversation nowadays…
Can you guess who replied to this post of mine ?
Literally zero difference.
Mentions a few.
Okay.
Killing two crew is obviously much easier than killing four as showcased by stats.
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then why you mentioned him and, then suddenly act like you didnt, it was no accident and now suddenly you quoted someone else
okay fair, effectively there are differences, my point is that they are functionally identically and they play exactly the same, the armor difference negligible and crew is nice but doesn’t make it a different vehicle, i’ve seen tanks with a lot of crew at 9.7 and not being up in br because of the extra crew
That @ is simply there for him to get a notification of my reply.
Me quoting someone else is what started this conversation in the first place.
You don’t need a completely different vehicle to make a single BR step difference.
Premium BMPT is obviously worse than TT one and it could easily result in a lower BR.
then should’ve separated it, instead of quoting someone and then pinging him, what do you think its gonna happen when someone sees an answer to something with their name right above it?
ill reiterate this, its worse but its def not worth something below 12.0, specially considering that the only major difference being crew its not a BR deterrant
example:
You still aren’t getting it.
Impressive.
Premium BMPT should be perfectly fine at 11.7.
I really hope you realize extra crew members don’t have the same impact on all vehicles and vehicle types ?
Then you’re contributing to the winrate distinction as well as helping them feed off of your allies.
What exactly are either lacking ? pray tell.
It’s great but the 2A4 and M1 are better than it is.
Agreed with all of it.
agreed, hence why I do better with my ARietes than my CR2s
For Germany: LDIRCM Heli
For the USA: Competetive CAS
For both: Fantasy mach 2.2 AGMs, 50% fantasy unnecessary giga SPAA, fantasy ammo belts on their autocannon vehicles, correctly lofting and therefore deadlier Heli AGMs
USA aren’t lacking competitive CAS though.
F15E, F18s, as well as F16s which still have 6 G
FnF mavs on them. Never mind access to the TV guided bombs etc.
Not only them lacking an LDIRCM heli though.
You think the vest solution would be to give US and Ger a missile like tbe KH38, and it would be any way beneficial.
You know mu stance on the MT as well it shouldn’t have been added.
The spaa is fantasy? How do?
Fantasy ammo belts on what exactly ?
Also the correct lofting is cheeks but dont for s minute downplay how strong the Jags are, neither missile should of been added functional lofting or not.
Adding more poiint and click shit wont fix anything.
Removing the absolute slapstick nonsense which has been added recently may help.
this is wrong. all 3 have there upsides and downside compared to eachother
for example
the m1 has the best mobility but the worst shell and worst armour
the challenger has the best shell and best armour but worst mobility and gun handling
the 2a4 is middle of the road on both but has a slower reload rate
im gonna do a point system for the 3 as i did with something yesterday because i find it enjoyable
points overall
Challenger 1: 13
M1 Abrams: 3
Leopard 2a4: 2
Best mobility: M1 Abrams (2 point)
Best Firepower: challenger 1 (2 point)
Best gun handling (tied with abrams and leopard 2 point to both)
Best armour: Challenger 1 (2 point)
Best reload: (tied with challenger 1 and abrams so 2 point to both)
Best sights: (tied with the leopard and challenger as abrams has lack of commander sights +2 to both)
Best survivability: leopard 2a4 (very similar to the abrams but much better armour +2)
Least fustrating to play: challenger 1 (lack of turret basket and yes this does count fight me +2)
Best systems: (tied with abrams and challenger because of the goat ESS 2 point to both)
Best team mates: british teams (challenger 1, 2 point because german and us teams suck)
Coolest looking (opinion related): challenger 1 (=2 points)
Worst Mobility: challenger 1 (-1 point)
Worst firepower: Abrams (-1 point)
Worst gun handling: challenger 1 (-1 point)
Worst armour: m1 abrams (-1 point)
Worst reload: leopard 2a4 (-1 point)
Worst sights (m1 because lack of commander sight -1 point)
Worst survivability: challenger 1 (no blowouts so -1 point)
Most fustrating: (tied with abrams and leopard -1 point to both because of the turret basket)
Worst systems: leopard 2 cause of no goated ESS -1 point
Woest team mates: german ones. -1 point to the leopard
Worst looking (opinion related): m1 abrams -1 point
thank you (this is bias i know shhhh)
what, the nitpicking?
issue with it, is that in this case it isnt a light tank, there is armor, spall liners and fuel tanks in the way, and its more likely you will end up ammoracking rather than crewkilling it, and yeah i wont deny having more crew its nice, but they are all so packed in together than it wont make much of a difference, if i side shoot the BMPT i will go for the ammo anyways and if it dosent kill it trough that its gonna cripple it anyways difference its minimal, specially when spall liners and fuel tanks do a lot of the job for survivability
i couldnt answer sooner cuz i was making myself breakfast
The reload on the M1 is fantastic.
The CR1 armour aint that great its good but not great.
The leopard 2A4 has worse armour sure but its mobility, firepwowr armour combo makes it better.
Cr1 has 4 reloads fast then with an aced crew its 6.5 seconds as well as a slow replenishment.
Literally has rhe best firepower as its sustained fire rate is so high.
Believe me ive thosuands of battles across M1s cr1s and leopards.
Like the CR1 as much as you want, ive days where i use only 10.7 britain, cause i do as well with them.
But i can still acknowledge the abrams and leo out shine it.
Plus 10.7 britains goated with good cas, good heli, great tanks, decent lights and ofc an okay spaa
same as the challenger but a bigger ready rack
the challenger mk3 armour is the best with NERA on the hull and the best hull down capability
not an issue if you play it well
best sustained firerate sure but on a 105 with not even 400mm of pen when the challenger 1 is sitting at almost 500mm
and as i said all have the ups and downs and yes. 10.7 britain is IN MY OPINION the best 10.7 lineup in game as the vickers exists along with the challengers and a T90? plus 2 decent ifv and great spaa (and the lynx is the best heli at the br im pretty sure)
Oh please 6 mavericks in 2026 when others sling KH38MTs, 16 Spices or Hammers are not competetive. Especially against a Pantsir SM SV.
Only major who does and they are missing it which was your question. Also its not like Sweden and Israel are doing very hot rn, Italy being the exception.
Same answer, russia has it, the others dont.
The Kinematics on the new missile are 100% fantasy bs if you look at speed, Gs and energy retention compared to everything else we have in game.
BMPT and to a certain degree fantasy damage model on all autoloader carousels but im not gonna count that since the T series is mid anyway. Still selective realism tho.
Again, russia has it (alongside double the amount of LMURs the MI28NM can carry) the others dont.
russia gets plenty of artificial bs to their benefit while Germany and the US have to cope with artificial bs to their negative like the turret baskets.
I dont disagree but that wasnt the question, the question was what theyre lacking and i dont see Gaijin removing any of the russian pamper stuff anytime soon.
So all in all what are Germany and the US lacking? Massive amounts of preferential treatment resulting in vastly lower playrate and winrate.
Even with the puma, if you notice it has the loader modeled as a cage around the ammunition that can be damaged.
The BMPT doesn’t have that.
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