Me: “BMPT was OP.”
@SandmanSix and @小小格温大受影响 claim that is wrong.
So do you two have evidence BMPT was never OP?
Or are you just going to have tantrums and statshame everyone that says BMPT OP?
Umm…Don’t get excited. We are merely discussing the winning rate that has been affected by BMPTOP
Yeah, I used it and showed numerous data points. If you care you can go look up. Played 10 games straight ended top 3 on all 10 games with 10 wins.
No one is saying the BMPT is NOT broken except you. Even Russian mains have said it’s broken annoying to go up against.
@SandmanSix
I never in my life said “BMPT is not OP”.
You either are mistaking me for someone else, lying, or inventing a strawman to argue against.
He always likes to play victim hood I don’t know if these forums give him some sense of self approval or attention he didn’t get.
So you agree the imbalance in the winning rate is due to Russian OP such as BMPT Pantsir SM, rather than team factors.
He’s going to say “nope it’s team skill.” He’s stuck in a loop and can’t even see it.
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“Win rate is not a factor of vehicle strength.” - Statisticians, and their proofs.
Matches aren’t just BMPTs vs Challenger 2s, matches are 32 different lineups.
BMPTs are facing against Leopard 1A5s, M3A3s, M1 Abrams, Leopard 2A4s, as well as some Challenger 2s, M1A1 HCs, and Leopard 2A4Ms.
Of “equal” skill:
If you put 16 BMPTs against 16 Challenger 2s, BMPT would have a 0% win rate.
And if you put 16 BMPTs against 16 10.7 Abrams, BMPT would have a 100% win rate.
A team of BMPTs vs a team of Arietes… BMPTs might win that one too, might not. That’d require more thought.
Of course, part of skill is making your lineup balanced, and not bringing Leopard 1A5s and M3A3s into 11.7 matches.
“Win rate” is an extremely complex consolidation of thousands of factors that occur from matchmaker to match end.
I am one of the few people that proved BMPT was OP. Proved.
Not pushed conjecture, not cite team skill [win rate], not some other thing.
I provided a proof that BMPT was incorrectly BR’d.
Before you reply @AlvisWisla this is how your logic goes from me just watching you in forums.
Person: “BMPT is broken”
Him: “No its not provide proof”
Person: Inserts proof
Him: “Nah, me and my challey make good work of the BMPT and my team always losses cause they lack common sense and only run BMPT”
Person: Looks up his stats to see how well he performs in challey and overall “yeah man that’s not true”
Him: “Why are you stat shamming me?”
Person: “Why are you talking about your skills in the challey and that the team losses when your stats state thats not true? BMPT is OP believe it or not”
Him: “I never said BMPT is not strong” Insert off topic tanks no one cares about and some run on sentence
Person: “So you agree BMPT is strong?”
It’s a vicious cycle and you can’t even see it man.
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@SandmanSix
“Him” in your post is you quoting yourself.
Keep defending BMPT and attacking everyone that wants M1 Abrams and Leopard 2A4 to get a breather after over 2 years of dealing with powerful 11.7s.
You’re doing real good shilling for your precious BMPT.
I am one of very many, I can guarantee if you take a poll people will say yes.
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I think you’ve posted in this thread so many times that you’ve responded to every possible take. There’s no point in continuing to spam the thread and argue - it’s just a pointless noise.
@SandmanSix
I guarantee if we polled people:
“Do you agree with Alvis that BMPT was OP?”
“Do you agree with Sandman that BMPT is not OP?”
People would universally agree with my stance.
Here’s the proof I made that proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that BMPT was OP:
And now @KaFKA1337 wants to silence criticism of BMPT. XD
Dudes definitely looking for attention.
Still ain’t high enough
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Who is Statisticians?Does he have a certificate for his degree?
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Yeah, it’s probably time to move many 11.7s up as a whole, including BMPT in it.
Decompress 10.7 [and potentially 11.0 if needed].
Of course @SandmanSix said I’m wrong for wanting it to move up.
Also, maybe 13.0 ground is necessary as well… time will tell.
The only thing I know for certain is that 10.7 is suffering.
It’s just wishful thinking, but I’m just so tired of your takes.
You’re not going to drag me into your little fights here xD
Are you sure you are tired of my wanting BMPT to move up?
That is the only take I’ve been consistently talking about.
On another note…
Here’s a preliminary statement so far:
To end the 10.7 suffering: BMPT, Challenger 2s, M1A1s, 3BM46 T-80Us, MBT-2000/Al-Khalid-I moves up to 12.0.
12.0 MBTs move up to 12.3 - 12.7.
A quick end to the nonsense DM23 and M774 mobile MBTs have to deal with currently.
This would also give room for strong 10.7s to move to 11.0.
Anything below BR 12 is unbearable against the BMPT. It belongs at BR 12 or higher period
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