I waited for a long time for the game to start … 170 people for this vehicle… I’m fed up with this vehicle, the Swedes can only be against them in the game !!
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It should send a message/notice when one of your own threads and/or replies gets merged. I got this one after Stona merged that thread just now:
And when I click on that message, it takes me to my reply that I had left on the merged thread, to its new location here.
So first off, I do not disagree that the BMPT’s could/should be moved to 12.0. However, it should be a pretty big improvement as they will now get uptiered into all the other 12.7 games. Whereas before, it was only sometimes being uptiered into 12.3. And there are very few 12.3 ground vehicles, whereas there are tons of 12.7 vehicles.
Will have to see if it is enough, but I am pretty confidant that we will see much less of them in the 10.0 “bracket”. Because right now imo it is getting downtiered at least 75% of the time, but after being moved to 11.7 it should be uptiered at least 75% of the time.
That 0.4 increase might not sound like a lot, but you have to factor in how many many more 12.7 vehicles there are versus 12.3.
Double the number of 12.7’s vs 12.3’s:
Number of 12.3 BR ground vehicles AB and RB rating = 14:
Number of 12.7 BR ground vehicles AB and RB rating = 35:
More than double the number of 12.7 ground vehicles versus 12.3, in GAB and GRB.
And the same big difference in the BR’s of planes in GRB.
Number of planes in 12.3 GRB:
Number of planes in 12.7 GRB:
Double again. The effect will probably be more pronounced in GRB versus GAB because of the CAS BR’s.
And finally, there are not even any heli’s at 12.3 BR for RB, but there are 4 helis at 12.7 BR in RB:
Again, I am NOT saying that the BMPT’s do not deserve 12.0, they are a menace. And I HAVE the TT BMPT. But this “small” increase to 11.7 will most likely have a larger positive effect than it first appears.
EDIT: I have also been leaving likes on the posts calling for the BMPT’s to go to 12.0. Just want to be clear that I am with the majority opinion on this one. But I am still hopeful that even if it “only” goes up to 11.7, we should see some immediate relief for the 10.3 and 10.7 BR ground vehicle lineups.
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Lets be real only few people will restrain from buying stuff as act of voting with their wallets. Thanks to all noise around bmpts, su30mk2/mkks, Gaijin will have big harvest during may sales.
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What do you mean? I do not/have not played 13.0, pretty much at all, in Arcade or Realistic. Air or ground.
I can only speak about my experiences trying to use my 10.3 and 10.7 BR ground lineups, and I get uptiered into BMPT’s at least 75% of the time. Honestly some days it seems like 90% of my matches are uptiers into hordes of BMPT’s.
I absolutely want to understand exactly what you are saying, please explain in greater detail, ty bro!
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I have same 75% uptire play on bmpt, that is because everybody wanna play on BMPT.
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You think you get 75% uptiers USING the BMPT right now? Is that in Realistic or Arcade? I mostly play Arcade, so I cannot give much of an opinion on how it gets up or down tiered in GRB.
EDIT: Adding the other replies to consolidate this conversation:
True, there is huge difference for things like cv9040s or ajax. Bmps are much better things to crack.
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I do only realistic, and I think new BR for BMPT 11.7 will not change anything:)
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Gotcha 👍 Thanks for the additional info.
In my opinion it will only transfer the rage to a different bracket. Yes, more pen rounds and better armor of the top tier vehicles somewhat can lower the BMPT performance, but like I said multiple times: the problem is not the BR. It is how this tank is modeled and how it is not consistent between other vehicles in the game in how it actually behaves. For BMPT it doesn’t matter if it will eat up a 400 pen round or 650 one. It is just broken design and until it is adressed BR changes won’t do anything. If this trend persists in the future for other Russian vehicles, well we all can imagine what will happen (one warship game did the same, where are they now?).
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I’m already fragging BMPTs with Challenger 2 TES cause it’s better armored against HEAT warheads.
Higher BR vehicles are even better.
I think the only way to increase BMPT further is to fix MBT BRs 11.7 and higher.
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I was waiting for your unhinged opinion. Good evening.
So your response is to call the common cold takes here “unhinged”… okay buddy.
I don’t think many people here, except you, are defending Leopard 2A4s having to deal with Challenger 2s, M1A1s, T-80Us, and BMPTs…
No, not the common ones, only yours :) Btw I played against you multiple times idk how are you still coming up with these…
The takes I have are also stated here by dozens of other people; so yes, common takes.
To quote someone:
So yeah, go play the Leopard 2A4 against BMPTs and see if you still have the same opinion about my takes.
You quote some random post that doesn’t correspond to anything I said. And you tell me you are not unhinged? You are discrediting the arguments on the mechanic behavior of the BMPT and simplifies it to only comparison of the vehicles it faces. Will the change from DM33 to a DM53 make a difference in a fact it almost doesn’t get any damage to the turret or the side panels eat up the rounds? It will still 2 hit the barrels at 12.7 as it is at 10.7. Your statement is a proof of your misconception of the game which is funny taking you have over 45k games at it.
To simplify it for you: people are not mad at the BMPT state of BR, they are raging because there is no comparable counterplay compared to any other vehicle in the game.
That means the 21 place is not russian
Russia suffers/s
@mrshufflin
The issues with server frequency and overlapping plates, are universal problems that impact many vehicles.
I’ve called for things to be fixed in this regard throughout this topic.
I don’t understand server related issues, but I did provide the feedback regardless.
As for over-lapping plates, a solution for that is to remove the ERA upgrade to the tech tree BMPT, since the premium BMPT doesn’t have this problem.
Removing the ERA upgrade from the tech tree BMPT also alleviates the server frequency issues.
So, you call these cold takes dozens of us have “unhinged”.
Will you triple down, or admit we’re right to criticize BMPT and other vehicles that benefit from those two issues?
Also, Challenger 2 TES is a superior vehicle to BMPT which is why I’ve been using them to deal with BMPTs.
T-80U is as well, though only Sweden is the other nation with one.
M1A1 does decent, but has an incorrect turret ring still.
And of course 12.7 MBTs easily deal with them.