Haven’t the PL-12/A been fixed? After the latest updates, they have the same maneuverability as the AIM-7 Sparrow…
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And when are you actually going to take any action on this complete bs Pantsir spam ?
It is time to raise it to 12.3 or remove it from !FREE! SPAA options completely.
"Look at me mom, I can open my wallet and get best AA as bonus, when I buy good premium tank, helo and CAS plane "
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But why? What do 12.7s do differently?
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The rounds have much higher pen to start with. Even my 11.7 light tanks with 500+ armor pen darts usually pen them, whereas I have almost no lucky with darts even just under 500 armor pen.
APHE is a different story though. I can absolutely destroy them with my 2S38, most of the time. For whatever reason, multiple of the APHE shells get through. The darts from the 2S38 do almost nothing however.
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I see the angle youre coming from but if it was “only” matter of pen (which i assume it isnt since you opened with “for starters”) there are several vehicles starting around 10.7 (or whatever BR Sabra is) that should be able to fold BMPTs like wet paper, but that doesnt seem to be the case.
I personally dont believe fighting BMPT in 11.3 and fighting BMPT in 12.7 is gonna make any difference in grand scheme of things.
Similiarly, BMPT doesnt care if its fighting 11.3s or 12.7s, the gameplay loop stays the same.
What I think should happen is to completly separate them from anything but 11.7 in a downtier and just let them be their own thing at top tier together with all the fun balanced stuff.
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Yes, but like I keep saying on repeat, the biggest issue is how often it was getting down to 10.3/10.7. At least 50%, and probably 75% of the battles I played at those BR’s were infested with BMPT’s.
BECAUSE, again I am repeating myself for the 4th or 5th time in this thread, there was a severe lack of opponents up to 12.3 for it to face. NOW, because of how many 12.7 vehicles there are, it WILL get many more uptiers rather than getting downtiered 50%-75% of the time.
All of you guys keep saying the same dang thing “zomg it will do fine at 12.7”
I KNOW
That is NOT the issue! The damage it was causing when it got downtiered was the problem!
Does the color coding help? Please guys, not ONCE have I said it wont do fine up to 12.7. Not, one, single, time. Everyone keeps replying to me like that is what I am saying 🤦♂️
Did anyone take the time to read my previous replies? I linked this older one in my long reply above too: BMPT/72 BR Topic - #8126 by SilentTracker
Speaking about crew training, is there a way to check progress towards ace crew now? I can’t find it anywhere after recent crew training window rework.
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I do apologize if you stated this before, I must have overlooked it.
At the same time, Im also not implying you said anything. I was merely explaining my line of thought.
BMPT does not care what it fights → put it at BR where it cannot face anything but vehicles of BR 11.7 and up.
That solves the issue of downtiers entirely.
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And I completely agree. Look at my stats (I have not played it in a while, these might have been before its move to 11.3)
But I was playing stupidly. And I mostly stopped using it after I spaded it. This was during the spade grind LOL.
I did so well that its SL/Game is near my premium tanks. It’s absolutely stupid.
BUT! Most of those excellent games were downtiers! I had multiple matches where I survived the entire match. Rolling from cap point to cap point. But when it was an uptier, I would almost always die trying to cap, or trying to hold a cap. I don’t think I survived an entire match in a uptier while I was grinding its mods.
The difference in effectiveness between a full down and full uptier with the BMPT’s is astounding. My experiences with it are why I am putting so much emphasis on the up/down BR issue. Is it too tough? Yeah probably. But it matters MUCH less in a full uptier. I was damn near invincible in a full downtier.
If the stats are still averaging 60% win rate on next month’s Statskark data, I will be right here with you guys pushing to get it upped to 12.0. Or higher. I don’t care what happens to the BMPT’s. I only care about the downtiers it was/is getting, ruining an entire -1.0 BR “bracket” under itself.
Relax dude, we all love the game and are painfully aware of unfinished stuff and bugs, but that is just a nature of live service game. It will always be work in progress to some degree.
There are live service games in much worse state than War Thunder.
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Bruh Gajin should make BMPT like 10.3 because ammount of spam is soo annoying I cant even get info Im looking for. Stop crying and just play the game…
If anyone in this thread wanted to subject himself to argument of such intelectual depth they just could go to local zoo and stand in front of the gorila enclosure.
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Any chance we can get some sort of “toggle” added to the new crew skills window
allowing us to change between vehicle types without having to change the entire line up?
The old interface had this option and it seems to have been left out of the new version.
For players that are maxing out crew skills in slots they use often and are wanting to
add the extra crew skill points to different vehicle types, this new UI is a bit of a
hinderance for doing that.
Adding such a toggle would be greatly appreciated by many/most players I am sure.
Thanks in advance for any consideration.
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Whilst i agree that the current BR setting process is extremely disappointing i don’t think that gaijin is not aware of its flaws. From a corporate perspective it doesn’t matter who is using the aircraft - decisive is the created income on average which determines the research progress.
In order to steer a game or a player portfolio you want to have stable conditions with high confidence levels of assumed player progress. These BR rounds are there to adjust BRs as they over- or underperform based on their given target parameters (SL&RP gain) - and not to create “fair” fighting conditions.
Therefore the only “fair” BR setting would be to determine the BR based on the results of the top 5-10% of all players and thereby assuming that these players would use the vehicle to its max strengths.
The downside for gaijin is obvious: Such a BR setting would kill BRs as an important pillar for controlling player progress. In addition: Gaijin can’t be interested in fair fights as this would reduce the need for premium products.
This is all missing from your update patch; you don’t want the majority of players to know that the Su-30s and BMTPs don’t deserve a truly effective battle rating increase ?
Communication about these kinds of details is important, though…
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I got an M1 KVT just as the BMPT was released. 0.5 kdr, 35% win rate, i’ve had it shelved for a month. should be playable soon hopefully, but more changes are needed since the BMPT still shreds at top tier.
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Nah, it’s just the bar now and you have to guesstimate how far along it you are and how many crew rp are actually needed
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Finally foldering the 🇩🇪M44/M55 was a good decision, the similarity between these vehicles means players should not be forced to research them separately especially in non-US TT.
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f16cm is fine compared to other jets bud