BMPT/72 BR Topic

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Only 4 percent difference in winrate which doesnt matter too much when you pass 90 percent.

You can also camp while playing close to enemy tanks, camping doesnt mean you will sit at 3km and shooting enemy tanks.

Any concrete evidence or statistics that shows people who watches him improve their gameplaystyle?

Without evidence these are just empty claims.

Trying to twist my words I see, sadly that’s not how it works.

I claimed that his gameplay style based on how intelligent enemy team is which any semi decent player will also perform similiar in that case.

People who has those exceptional K/D ratios has very specific gameplay style which either is based on camping style or playing with their friends who has similiar performance.

I know this because I did the same thing when I was playing world of warships which I have exceptional results on my most ships there.

I’ve never said I stomped cavenub every single time I faced him, trying to twist my words even more will only decrease your trust in other people’s eyes.

The reason why you got so offended its because you embraced similiar gameplay style that cavenub does which proves my point further more. In fact you already admitted this on our previous encounter, just didn’t realized you took cavenub as role model.

Guess I hit the nerve :)

88.29 - 63.31 = 24.98

So literally anything is camping? Playing near objectives and defending them is camping? Or is it cave’s fault that they drive out in front of him, completely unaware. Are you supposed to just hold W into their spawn, and get shot on purpose? Or maybe try to position and play well.

Comment section, discord convos, etc.

Huh. Then why doesn’t everyone have these stats/games?

Its not hard to get these K/D’s while playing aggressively, which he literally shows in his gameplay through almost 1000 videos. He does occasionally squad though.

I never said that you said that. I simply said that I stomped Justin every time I played against him.

I doubt we play the same. Maybe similar positions, but I make more mistakes and get overzealous far more than I should.

Sure you did. Or maybe I’m calling you out on completely nonsensical claims.

Who is flagging my stuff man :(
No guideline break in that I am 95% sure.

I was referring the overall results which you love to ignore it.

Performing well depends on many aspects on GRB including positioning, taking advantage over unexperienced players and timing.

Playing near objectives while defending cap requires holding a line which basically is camping, whether you like it or not.

You can’t accept this fact because it basically expose you and his gameplaystyle, nothing to be shamed of tho since GRB is based on this tactic if you want to perform exceptionally well.

So no concrete evidence but rather people’s word, unless you have actual stats I would take it as you have nothing on this.

Because 90 percent of this community press W and hope for the best while remaining 10 percent relies on their skills, map knowledge and other aspects. Those exceptional players are the best one’s when it comes to expose those tactics.

It really is unless your ass got covered by your teammates or you play against unexperienced players.

I know this already which doesnt surprise me in slightest.

Could be, could it be not.

I’ve said you embraced his playstyle, didn’t say you perform on same level he does :)

Or you just got butthurt because I exposed his gameplay style alongside with yours?

Just because you embraced a certain style doesn’t mean you should yap all the time buddy.

Why even use this? 25% difference in winrate is incredibly significant.

What is the alternative? Hold W into their spawn and die? This just makes 0 sense. Camping usually refers to holding an almost irrelevant angle for a significant period of time.

You know what, my bad for killing enemies. My bad for trying to win games. My bad for trying to defend a cap. My bad for winning engagements and living.

A significant amount of people’s word through the comments they leave on videos. Its a noticeable trend, with no way to concretely prove it of course.

It is literally shown by statistics that a 3.36 KS is better than 99.9296% of the game’s playerbase, so its not a “any semi-decent player can do this”. Of course you can pad your KS by 1dling and not playing for the win, but he clearly does.

It really isn’t. Pushing aggressively to good positions often nets you more kills.

I don’t think I play like him. Most maps we play quite differently, unless its a map with only 1 good position (decently common)

I like your use of “exposed gameplay style” as if it means anything. Exposed what exactly? What is there to be ashamed of by playing well? Describing this as camping is just blatantly wrong though.

Because one is showing general performance of both players while other is the best that suits your comical counterpoint which why you’re so insistent to use it.

Seems like you don’t even know what camping is truely considering your perspective about camping is sitting further away from battlefield and trying to snipe people.

There is nothing wrong with that, problem is you’re trying portray your/his gameplay style different.

But this is not the first time you pulled something like that.

Then it doesnt mean anything, tho I still think people who watches him eventually become better due to replicating his tactics and getting more experience.

Pushing those positions requires timing (which you have no control over) luck and capable vehicles that can reach in time.

Its not hundred percent effective method all the time.

Judging videos you posted I can clearly see similiraties which shows he inspired you a lot, like I said that doesn’t mean its bad.

Exactly, there is nothing wrong it, its just that you can’t accept the fact that this gameplay style heavily requires camping on strategic positions.

Your brain automatically turns off everytime it see’s “camping” word which causes you to get offended but in reality there is nothing to be shamed or get angry.

At the top percentages, the increase in % rating becomes exponentially harder to increase, which is why you’re using it, because it downplays his performance and inflates yours.

That is not what I said. An irrelevant angle can be literally anywhere, for example, a camper a few days ago:

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Game was basically over. It was 10v3, and he was sitting in that spot for the past 10 minutes, just waiting for someone to cross over from B/C over to A.

We don’t play the same though.

Which is why I heavily dislike slow vehicles or ones that struggle to position well. You can almost guarantee a good position with a vehicle that greatly outpositions its opponents (NATO vs RU).

The thing is, I rarely watch him:

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It becomes even less as it goes on. Usually its on in the background as well if I’m doing something else, so my full attention isn’t even on the video.

You are stating this like its otherwise. I still don’t consider this camping, as you often have to manage and watch multiple angles and 1vX the people who contest them.

I am not angry or ashamed, though it might’ve came off that way.

Not really.

I literally stated on my previous post that he’s an exceptional player which indicates that I already accept that his better than me considering I see myself as an average player on GRB.

Thats one aspect of camping, not the whole concept.

Of course you don’t otherwise you would have same results he has, doesn’t mean you didn’t get inspired and embraced his style to certain degree.

Could be, could be not but my point still stands

Just because you can’t accept it doesnt mean its not true.

You dont accept it because deep down camping words triggers you for some reason while in reality its the nature of this game.

Fair enough.

Its disingenuous to use the comparative rating here, and you know it. The difference between 88% and 63% is pretty insane,

I already addressed this “camping” multiple times, and how it just doesn’t apply. We can agree to disagree.

To what degree? If we play different positions and different levels of aggression, where do we draw the line? Not to mention I never really watched many CC’s aside from Spookston when I was new, due to him being rather entertaining. Overall I didn’t really watch CC’s to get better, just learned a couple positions at most.

Like I mentioned, we are never going to agree. WT hinges on holding a good position, and advancing based on how the game is playing out. For example

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I go to 1 first, and advance when the coast is relatively clear up to 2. When a good portion of the enemy players have left, and the coast is clear, I go to 3 to seal the game.

don’t u love it when u shoot the grenade ammo and it doesn’t kill the crew next to it. Or when u shoot every where else on the tank and it doesn’t kill it. that god dam thing needs to be put at a higher tier or its Armour needs to be weaker.

its so god dam annoying shoot the same weak spot on the tank for it to just do absolutely nothing at all to the tank. like this isn’t helping the Russian bias allegations gaijan

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Honestly, playing 10.7/11.0 wihy the terminator is a shame. They’re blatantly laughing in our faces. And we’re not even talking about the F-18Cs with AIM-7P missiles (the only aircraft that have them), or the Su-30 Premiums in 13.3. It’s an absolute disgrace.

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When this shiz getting neutered?

I can’t playing war thunder because of BMPT. I opened the game to enjoy but these tanks are very strong. They don’t die, they take it down in one hit. They’re attacking us and we can’t do anything. I’ll stop playing until this is fixed. It should be at least br 12.0

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I used GE to unlock Type 10 with 60k RP left and add to my lineup just to get out of BMPT hell and it made the game fun again. I don’t hate the BMPT but it’s too much spamming and rushing at BR 10.3 - 11.7 making the game a repetitive spam of Russian orcs vs everyone else. If you have the money I’d recommend it since 12.7 has been fun again without the spams.

Wait till you meet the mi-28 lmurs. If its above 9.0 just write it off till they do anything to make it playable.

I have, I also have met with AH-64E, EC-665 Tiger UHT, and Z-10ME. I do not believe LMURs are a problem in game. I believe the trajectory of LMUR vs JAGM-MR (IR) needs work but work performance is the same eliminating target left and right with no problem. Either way, the BMPT spammers are not at 12.7 perhaps they are boosting stats for another nerf at 11.3 by playing vehicle however, I am happy again playing War Thunder and that’s all that matters.

You do realize not everyone always plays on top performance every single month right?

Thats why overall performance shows people true performance rather than monthly results and you know it yet you keep pushing it prove your point.

Which means one way or another you got inspired by him/them.

Thanks for proving my point.

Because your moral code cannot accept the the simple truth which is understandable.

So you just pushed to one camping position to another.

Like it or not this game based on camping whether you hold the spawn or a line where you can effectively stop enemy advancing.

Anyway lets agree to disagree since we both have different vision on certain aspects.