How is that a troll?
T14 is 4.7
KV-1 is 4.7
T14 is way better
T29 is 7.0
Is 3 is 7.3
T29 is better
T58 is 8.3
T-10M is 8.3
T58 is far better.
These are just the heavy tanks. Stop having baseless claims
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The hstvl is often played wrong, and that is a player problem.
The 120S can be somewhat situational, but it’s 5.0 sec Ace reload + top tier pen at 10.0? 10.3? With an abrams turret is quite good. It lacks good mobility and hulk armor though, and that still doesn’t make it bad, in Bull Dow it’s a monster.
2S38 should be 10.7 as I’ve been sayin forever now, and is listed as 10.7 in my br change list.
T58, thankfully someone agrees the T58 should’ve been 9.0, as I said when the dev server was up for when it was coming out.
Not only is it premium, it’s available for everyone, and has out shined even the Obj. 279 in pretty much every capacity besides mobility.
I don’t think the HSTV-L is overperforming in the game balance sense, but then again I also don’t think the 2S38 is super problematic so maybe that is just a me thing.
I personally like my light tanks.
Hstvl I have found to be quite deadly against all but the the Leo2a7s, but yet again most tanks struggle vs those.
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It doesn’t matter,if the combined KD is 0.88 it means the majority of players play it like it is supposed to and you can achieve 4 kills every 5 deaths.
The 120S has a good round and amazing thermals for 10.3,but that’s it. The 5.0s reload is only if it’s an aced crew, otherwise it’s 5.3s expert and 5.8s maxed which is still good,but not crazy good. The turret armour is still weak to 3BM42s at some ranges (since the M1A1 doesn’t have either a DU insert or a Steel insert) and the biggest Abrams weakspot is even bigger in the 120S. I played that tank and although it is good, it’s far from being overestimated
It’s just pure Russian soft power projection now.
Such is the fragility of Russias ego.
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The two of you are crying in every thread about Russia bias, it’s actually impressive how much effort you put into this.
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Every update does nothing to dispell it.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s very much a duck
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And the USA has the only stealth vehicles in the game.
Very potent experimental vehicles: hstvl, rdflt, t58, t29, etc etc.
Had plenty of updates where its planes set the terms and conditions of br ranges.
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That’s just a list of your personal opinion.
I can compare them statistically if you’d like
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You have a point with T58, but the others are a tad silly.
KV-1 Zis5 has more armor.
IS-3 is just pure armor.
M60 AMBT being 10.0 while TURMS-T is 10.3 is hilarious.
Both are lol-penned, but the vastly more mobile M60 fires a 3BM60 equivalent round while the other doesn’t.
HSTVL is fine where it currently is IMO. 2S38 could be 10.7 to match the increase HSTVL got.
0.86:1*
Even less for the tanks KDR.
@luque13 @ItsOnyy
I’ll keep playing tech trees superior to the Soviet tech tree regardless of your posts’ advertising for it.
I’ve played enough to know that USA, Germany, and China are more fun.
Sweden will likely be more fun as I enter 10.x again.
If you removed the APFSDS from the Namer, changed the missiles to 800mm pen SACLOS, and increased its front armor by 85%, you’d get a BMPT with better survivability, scouting, and a drone.
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It’s hard to dispell something to someone who doesn’t want that thing to be dispelled.
At this point you are looking for things to confirm your pov, not to find out what is actually going on. Was going to type confirmation bias first, but not sure if what I just said fits the description of that term.
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Kv-1 vs the T-14? Pretty sure the T-14 has the better armor, round, and reload. With an HMG.
IS-3, how about an T26E5, it can withstand a 122mm frontally, and barrel, track, and destroy the Is-3 before the IS-3 could reload again.
Hstvl should honestly be 12.3 and rdflt 12.0
While the 2s38 gets bumped to 10.7
But that’s a topic for this:
Tbh, the t-58 is gonna be a real problem to select an appropriate br.
Can’t really go to 8.7, as it would face 9.7 unstabilsed with no compensation like thermals and a dart which the French have.
Certainly can’t go lower though for obvious reasons.
8.3 is the only real place it could sit, but it should never have been added tbh as it was clear it would be almost impossible to balance.
If you’re comparing the the non-armored 8.7 French tanks you’re already doing it wrong.
279 is 9.0 with a worse round, worse armor, but a stabilizer.
0.86 if you consider only RB. War Thunder is AB and RB, and the general performance of a vehicle must take into account both modes.
0.86 KD(RB)+1.45 KD (AB)= 2.31 KD/2= 1.15 KD
Lol now that i think about it i wrote the wrong number before,the combined KD of the 2S38 is way higher
Nevermind i wrote right,my brain today is not helping
Oh, you were comparing the two different games. I see.
I mean… Arcade allows for easier anti-air, which is why it has a higher KDR there.
Begleit has an even larger anti-air record in arcade than 2S38 does.
You have to be careful when using arcade stats for things with HEVT as a round option.
Not really, the fact you have an aiming reticle doesn’t mean you’re inherently better at dealing with planes. While it’s true that the 2S38 is often used as a make-shift SPAA in Arcade,most people will still lock you with the IRST because the Radar/IRST lock gives you more precision.
Moreover,you can’t say that KD is the true KD because 2S38 players also die against planes so if you remove air kills,you must also remove their deaths to air threats. And since you don’t know that, it’s better to keep the KD showed there.
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You can’t cite Statshark that proves the aiming is easier in arcade than realistic then dismiss Statshark the moment someone points it out.
Edit:
My stance here is an opposition to combining different-game statistics.
It’s already a skill based statistics database as is, and adding in different game variables as well is even less helpful to vehicle discussion.