BMPT/72 BR Topic (Part 2)

[Wōdan]

@Just_Baron

The BMP-2M should not have APFSDS either, as it shreds the barrel within a few rounds.

And its ATGM got 1200mm of pen. All at 10.3BR. Yet one of the worst performing Vehicles.

@Just_Baron

The low KD is caused by below-average players buying it

Can’t buy the TT BMPT which has also just taken a complete Nosedive since 11.7. At 11.3BR both were completely fine. And yeah can change the Ammo / Belt to be same as on Stuff like the Namer. It still should go back to 11.3.

As i said earlier can argue all Day but the Data doesn’t lie. Since the change to 11.7 both BMPTs are being outperformed by more than 60+ Vehicles at this BR. And this Month its performance / Stats will drop down even more.

[Wōdan]

That is not stepping low. That is pointing out that someone who doesn’t even play at this BR cannot talk about this BR, what is busted or not what needs nerfing or buffing etc. If you do not even play at this BR how can you even have experience / opinion on it?

If you never played against xy Vehicle as well as never having it played…how can you speak about it?

[Cloudzy26160]

@Wurststahl

The BMP-2M at 10.3 has the same 2A42 Autocannon with same Firerate and has APFSDS.

And same armour, right? RIGHT?

[Just_Baron]

@Wurststahl

And its ATGM got 1200mm of pen. All at 10.3BR. Yet one of the worst performing Vehicles.

The BMP-2M is an okay vehicle at best and uses Kornets in real life. It does not use Atakas.

It should also be mentioned that some sources even suggest the Kornet has 900mm of Tandem penetration, not 1200 as well.

@Wurststahl

Can’t buy the TT BMPT which has also just taken a complete Nosedive since 11.7.

Ever heard of a stock grind?

@Wurststahl

At 11.3BR both were completely fine.

Nope. Having a 60 Percent Winrate using the BMP-T over 130 games at 11.7 and 12.7 is not fine. When a team uses mostly BMP-T, it is physically impossible to fight back.

@Wurststahl

And yeah can change the Ammo / Belt to be same as on Stuff like the Namer. It still should go back to 11.3.

The Namer and other IFV don’t get free ammo boxes for shits and giggles like the BMPT does. The BMPT shouldn’t even be a Tank Destroyer as the Begleit, built for the exact same task, is labeled a light tank.

@Wurststahl

As i said earlier can argue all Day but the Data doesn’t lie.

Did you know that 100% of all people who drink Dihydrogen monoxide die?

But Data doesn’t lie, does it? Numbers without context are nothing.

Here’s the BMPT’s performance this month. It maintains about 1 to 1.2 kills per death, which is pretty good for a top-tier premium using APDS.

Now here’s the other vehicles.

Any reasonable person will notice that the consistent average of other autocannon vehicles is below 1 kill per death, yet the BMP-T remains significantly higher when it can see 12.7 vehicles, unlike the rest.

This is the context of the data, which you won’t give. It disproves the “BMP-T is bad” part of your entire argument because it outperforms every single autocannon vehicle it can see.

[Hypesenberg]

Why are you comparing it with Arietes? that comparison is based on the assumption that the Russian TT player base has the same average skill level as the Italian TT players, which is quite far from the truth. You need to compensate for the player skill base difference before making that comparison. This would be hard but thanks to the copy-paste T-72A and T-72M we can do this:
RU T-72A: Win rate: 46.3% K/S: 0.96 K/D: 1.09
IT T-72M: Win rate: 49.4% K/S: 1.07 K/D: 1.25

Edit: I used the May stat in the Screenshot, the data I wrote was the overall stat. Still, the May stat proves my point even more.
The reason I choose these two is that they are the only completely copy-paste MBTs of the closest BR to 11.7. If we use this to normalize the Arietes stat with this difference, we get:
Ariete PSO (Normalized): Win rate: 47.1% K/S: 0.94 K/D: 1.08
Ariete (Normalized): Win rate: 47.5% K/S: 0.98 K/D: 1.13
And my god these stats look way worse now, in fact far worse than the TT BMPT.

As for the M1A1 situation, yes they are pretty good, in fact they are not THAT different from the 12.7 variants. But still, RU still has a overall higher winrate for 11.7 and 12.0 BR than US. Comparing May 2026 stat on statshark, we get:

So, um, we do see the problem here don’t we…
Or if you are gonna argue that the high winrate was not with the BMPT still being OP:

Well they kind of still are: They are the most popular spawn, they are played by majority of the RU players, they therefore get the overall weakest player base. But they still get the highest K/D of all the 11.7 RU tanks. They ARE the backbone of that all green winrate, and therefore they ARE OP.
Edit2: Ignore the T-80UM2, that thing is a event tank, people owning it has overall better skill than the general data set.

[Wōdan]

No i already replied to that

[Cloudzy26160]

Honestly the issue is less the actual armour and more the busted survivability, like the crew just shrugging off the fighting compartment being filled with burning propellent.
Until those issues are fixed it can’t go down.
Stats also do not reflect assists where vehicles completely disable an enemy for their team to finish off.
The BMPT earned it’s BR through it’s performance, it’s not going back down, and fictitiously adding APFSDS will just put it up further in BR

[G3ntl3man95]

bmp no eat 120mm apfsds from side… and have crew in turret…

[HighRiskNoReward]

Meaning, you aim there but often the round hits somewhere else in the vicinity, the weak spot is too small to reliably hit on a stationary BMPT, nevermind one rushing you

[Just_Baron]

You should also ignore the Trophy T-80U on the list.

[DasMoss]

It’s winrate is only dropping because most people driving them just hold w into the nearest point and hope they kill whatever they run into first.

[YATAGARASU_MiG]

Why are you comparing the BMPT to a 12.0 MBT? Shouldn’t you be comparing it to similar light tanks or IFVs?

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

A man walks into a puppy obliteration factory:
-Guys, I have an idea. How about we also torture them?

Quite brilliant.

[YATAGARASU_MiG]

Based on your theory, I think there are quite a few vehicles that should be buffed before the BMPT, don’t you think?

Also, while the BMPT automatically extinguishes fires even if its ammunition belt catches fire, the Namer 30 and Eitan have a fatal bug where they’ll die unless you use a fire extinguisher.
The BMPTs don’t have any bugs like that, and their K/D ratio isn’t below 1.00, so from what perspective are you saying that “the BMPT is weak now”?

[БЕИ]

@Tacocatte

No, go hulldown and youll be unkillable

There is a chance that it will blow up if you hit one of the belt, like the odds are at 10%.

[UNN_Daedalos]

[AlvisWisla]

Because this topic is not a Devil’s Advocate argument.
This topic is his genuine sincere beliefs.

Neither Tiger Tank, nor this topic, are here to upset others with their perspectives.
Treating this as their sincere opinion, we can provide our own perspectives that provide good information for them to think on.

Wurststahl is even using the same exact argumentation & rationale as people have used to claim Russian bias exists.
“Look, Statshark shows good/bad stats about vehicles, there must be something OP/bad about the vehicle/tech tree.”

[UNN_Daedalos]

maybe wusrt should compare it to other vehicles of its class then

As pointed out here :

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/bmpt-needs-apfsds-now-that-it-is-11-7-and-performs-worse-than-ariete-clickbaits/337140/69

Not to mention the fact that BMPT players are kind of used to hold W and will now need to adapt

[Beeschurger]

@Wurststahl

The BMP-2M at 10.3 has the same 2A42 Autocannon with same Firerate and has APFSDS. And stronger ATGMs. More than whole BR below it. And has some of the worst K/D in Game…

It must be amazing living your life unbothered by higher thoughts.

[Avg_SwedishMain]

It’s not about the tank,it’s the player
There are people who have insane games at 12.7 with the BMPT,and there were people struggling with it at 10.3