M3A3 is double the weight and doesn’t make up for it with horsepower.
An anecdote requires a narrative, I’ve supplied no narrative.
And that quote has no anecdotes in it.
That entire post is critiquing player behavior.
Which is also a critique of player behavior in M3A3 & Strf 9040 BILL as well.
" Anecdotal evidence is evidence based only on personal observation, collected in a casual or non-systematic manner."
1- Wikipedia is not a source.
2- Good thing I don’t collect data in a non-systematic or casual manner.
- Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. We’re talking about the definition of a word and all websites agree.
“evidence in the form of stories that people tell about what has happened to them”
“His conclusions are not supported by data; they are based only on anecdotal evidence.”
- You didn’t collect any data. You used an anecdotal story to talk about how bad the BMP-2M “is”.
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Heres a comparison of some stats, knowing that they are apparently both equally maneuverable:
M3a3 advantages:
800x600 thermals for driver and commander
12x total ATGM (over BMP’s 8)
-19 degrees ATGM depression (over -5)
Faster ATGM (330 max vs 300 max)
Indirect fire ATGM (TOW2b, poorly modeled)
BMP2m advantages:
4x ATGM per mag (over M3a3’s 2)
Ready to fire (no deploy time)
Shoot-on-the-move (vs 2.5 second deploy time)
Proximity AAM (10 km, burning for ~8)
Has ‘autoaim’ (might be because laser beam idk what it is/does)
5km ATGM (over bradley’s 3.75km)
Greater optics magnification (20x vs 12x)
+400mm Penetration ATGM
+1mm APFSDS, APDS (point blank)
550 RPM (over 201)
(Not including factors like armor, Bradley’s high mounted commander sights, stuff like that)
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Which is a good thing I exclusively come to conclusions using data.
You do realize matches are themselves data right?
@pyroraptor841
I forgot about ATGM’s explosive mass equivalent as well.
Doesn’t really matter too much tho to me, but probably important.
Statcard says (in TNT eq)
4.51 for 2A, 3.38 for 2B (M3a3)
6.36 for tandem, 9.24 for proxy (BMP)
How accurate is that? Idk I don’t have the first clue of how to find that in the datamine
(Edit, correlates with that one missile document, I’m calling it accurate)
You do realize matches are themselves data right?
Are you trying to gaslight me into thinking what I’ve quoted 4x is data? that ain’t gonna work lmao
Stop using “gaslight” as a buzzword when you clearly mean something irrelevant to psychology, please. You undermine its actual meaning.
This is some S+ tier gaslighting.
Dude… I’m telling you you’re wrong to misuse the word.
That’s physically not the same as someone trying to convince you that you’re crazy.
Contrary to what you think, having wrong information is part of normalcy.
You are not crazy just because you misused words.
The word isn’t being misused.
No one is saying you’re crazy.
So you are indeed misusing the word.
Gaslighting does not involve trying to convince someone is crazy.
That’s literally the definition in psychology…
moreover, reduce the main canon accuracy, they look really bad on videos in reality.
Other vehicles need to be allowed to fire their ATGMs on the move, or the BMP needs to lose it, plus ATGMs need to actually make sense and not have all of them be crap except the Russian and Chinese beamriding ones.
Just reading this thread and seeing how many people think BMP-2M is actually meta and need up-tier therefore basically outing themselves as bad is insane.
You are right btw.
BMP-2M, like the BMP-1 before it and further back “M18 syndrome” from 2015 are some of the most overrated vehicles in this game.
As soon as you see someone write about 1200mm pen, the word “tandem” or mention “ATGM” as a selling point, just automatically assume they are extremely bad at the game and you’ll be correct 98% of the time.
You know where your argument falls apart though?
Just because the BMP-2M may or may not be better than other IFV’s means basically nothing in the grand context of this game, because medium tanks / MBT of equal BR are 100x times better than the 2M in regards to KD and KPB, therefore up-tiering it even further is out of the question.
A good skilled player will do better with a simple XM1 at 11.7 than the 2M will, should XM1 be 11.0?
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xm1 belongs right where its at with its dart having only 300+mm of pen 100mm of armor i cant count how many times i have shot one straight through the turre face 1km out. its a good tank right where it sits and isnt overly good where it is. im looking at this without a player involved in the tank. i played the bmp2m using it to grind lower russian tanks faster and io absolutely abused it and got so many hate messages for it. im not considering a player involved and only its armament and speed