I play mostly light tanks, and finding out the BMD doesn’t get thermal on the drone for easier spotting was such a disappointment.
The vehicle should be moved to 10.0, if getting 2 or 4 more ATGMs would be good but not required, it’s amazing the way it is. It’s nothing more than a BMP-3 with faster reload and less ammo at the current BR. Both BMD-4M2 and BMP-3 can do great at higher BR, I know this because I use them at top tier. They are the only vehicles in the USSR lineup that can go over a hill and not suffer from gun depression. They deserve a higher BR. Please, pretty please!!!
Edit: It also fires ATGMs from the move, so against any unexpected tank, it does much better than any TOW carrying IFVs in other tech trees. It has better thermals than Dardo/VCC-80 and is miles better than the Bradley M3A3 that has to stop and wait seconds before the TOW is ready. It does deserve to be up there with them at 10.0 and getting the Thermal Drone.
unfortunately gaijin made a horrible mistake by making the 4m a premium, thus leaving the 4m2 as the only tech tree option
they really fumbled the bmd’s, can’t wait to see how they would butcher the bmd-2
BMD-4M2 is already the same BR as equivalent IFVs.
It lacks the APFSDS seen at BR 10.0 and higher for ATGM carrying IFVs.
Please list such equivalent IFVs for the crowd as well
All BMD-4s.
APFSDS IFVs at 9.7: CV9035, ICV, VBC, Strf 9040B.
And honorable mention to the Begleitpanzer 57, while not an IFV it fulfills a strong similar role at 9.7.
if they don’t want to give it apfsds like the BMP-2M its fine. It can still do good with the normal APs from the sides and rear, even on leopards. BMP-3 is my most played vehicle by a long mile. But the thermal drone is one of the most important to me. I always spot enemies and it only helps the team. I also have to keep the drone low altitude so it doesn’t get taken out by anti air, and for drones without thermal, most times there is fog in the way and it’s really hard to spot enemies, so I either go high above the enemy spawn and hope it doesn’t get shot down, or I just take the penalty of not being able to spot that well.
Bmp2s APFSDS is a fake round invented by gaijin.
For comparisons sake this shall be ignored for now as the misplacement of all bmds is under question by the OP.
As i recall, none of these have an atgm. Is the bmds atgm able to be fired on the move?
Also imo none of these have the specific combinatio of mobility and agility that the BMD platform offers
ATGMs cannot be fired on the move last played.
And APFSDS replacing ATGMs is common among IFVs.
Begleit’s the most mobile of them, and one of the CV90s is equal or better than Begleit, though I haven’t done a formal test with them.
Round also seems real.
in the case of the BMDs, yes they can be fired on the move, no doubt about it, also their performance, both in manoeuvrability and penetration, beats the competition. (the missiles are beam riding)
yet not a way we can equalise them. theres only so much a low calibre dart can do, case and point to mk30ABM or Bushmaster 30
BMDs have a P/W of 31.6
‘equivalent IFVs’
9.7 Bagel: 21, APC+ATGM
9.3 EFV: 23.7, APFSDS
9.0 Badger: 17.14, APFSDS
9.7 ICV: 19.4, APFSDS
9.7 RCV: 19.4, APFSDS
10.0 ZBD04A (chinese BMD): 23.2, APFSDS, ATGM
9.7 VBC PT2: 18.7, 25mm APFSDS
9.3 VBCI: 16.8, APFSDS
9.7 VBCI-2: 22.22, APFSDS
9.7 CV9035DK: 25.5, APFSDS
9.3 CV9030FIN: 20.11, APFSDS
9.7 Strf 9040B: 21.04, 40mm APFSDS
i dont think the BMD HAS any equivalent IFVs
Spam X for doubt
the DK is yes
as for the round, im not so sure anymore but i dont think it would be widespread
Power to weight isn’t the bees knees.
Begleit and 2S38 for example I believe are different power to weights, yet have the same acceleration statistics.
Updated post:
ZBD04A cannot be tested at this time. However, it having APFSDS makes it objectively superior as a platform to BMD4M2.
BMD4M2: Slow reload of a chronically average missile for the BR that’s borderline too fast.
Primarily an auto-cannon bus with a… unique gun launcher as a tool.
The ATGM performance is seen at 8.3 - 9.7 among other tech trees.
The gun performance is seen at 8.3 - 9.0 among other tech trees.
Which means its 9.7 performance is coming from mobility.
What a disjointed topic. Starts off going on about the drone not having thermals, before going on about increasing the vehicles BR.
because that’s the only way for this vehicle to get thermal drone, there is no thermal drone below BR 10.0, and like I said, this vehicle can and should be at a higher BR because it has features that make it competitive at high BR. I use it and the BMP-3 at top tier, I know it can deal with almost any vehicle, especially if you catch them from the sides. It is far better than many other IFVs that are at higher BRs too, look at my EDIT part.
You don’t have to sell me on its capabilities. Even if I have more fun using BMP3 than the 3x BMD4s I have. It was just a weird way you wrote it, lol.
i would argue that P/W is one of, i not the main statistic WRT mobility/aglity.
that and turning time. Most other vehicles dont turn like the BMDs do. (on spot i mean)
goes to show how good it still is
also shows how it has so many things in its favour that other IFVs at 9.7 (only) lack
a great autocannon, great ammo, amazing RoF, a great ATGM (FoTM), great mobility and great sights
like you cant tell me the BMD is equal to the VBCI’s man
You get SL’s for every scout, you get more SL’s for each enemy when they die, AND you get SL’s and RP when you get the"Intelligence" award. THEN, you also get reduced CAS spawn points for each “intelligence” award in Realistic or CAS points in Arcade. You don’t “need” to get kills to profit from scouting.
You can use the 2S25M, BMP-2M and/or the 2S28 for 10.0+ RB if you want a thermal drone (BMP-2M or 2S38 in Arcade, 2S25M is only 9.7 in AB.) 0 need for the BMD-4M2 to go up.
yeah but it mostly helps the team, can’t count how many times I’ve seen nobody scouting and then put my drone up and see enemies flanking. Saved the team many times just by scouting. That’s the gameplay I prefer in this game. Then if there are enemy jets in the sky or the team is losing, I try to help it with CAS.
I don’t have the 2S38 and never will. But I have 2S25M and BMP-2M + BMP-3. I still prefer the light, mobile and the ability to pop over a slope with my BMP-3/BMD-4M2 all leaned forward for maximum gun depression and pop people with ATGMs when they are out in the open or don’t pay attention to me. BMP-3 and BMD are the most fun to play hands down.
/shrug. You should get the BMD-4M then. It is better than the BMD-4M2. Fast ATGM reload like the BMD-4. Sill no reason to increase the BR’s of any of the BMD’s just because you want a thermal drone.
Also, any potential argument of “I am not going to buy a premium” is a you problem. Not a we and/or game problem.
Nah, I can buy any premium I want but won’t play the 2S38, I never like to play overpowered vehicles. I only buy premium vehicles if I want to research a tree faster and that’s it. I don’t really play with a vehicle because it’s good, it also needs to be fun to play, and the BMD-4M2 is the pinnacle of that for me, and with a thermal drone it would be so much better. That is why I don’t even play these vehicles at their BRs and go straight to top tier. There is a challenge and it’s more fun.