They’re fine where they are. Low survivability in exchange for lethality. Keep in mind that the BMP3 is 9.0, keep in mind that other nations have very strong vehicles around that BR. For example, China has a 9.0 line-up that consists of vehicles such as the PTL-02, AFT09, PTZ-89, just super strong vehicles - .3 below the BMDs. If you’re going to complain about something, ask why some 9.0 vehicles are still 9.0.
Haven’t playing they yet so doesn’t really know is they really they OP but I assume the PTL-02 and AFT09 had passed their OP period, I remember the time when the wheeled vehicle haven’t got their traction nerf, you will see them already snipping people from the snipping place, but even at those time you won’t see a bunch of them sending half of the team back to hangar
So what if skilled players use them?
BMD-4/4Ms equivalent iFVs/lights are all 9.3:
CV 9030FIN, Beigleitpanzer, VBC…
PTL02=a light tank with bad manoeuvrability, and a dm23 round. only thing good is thermals
AFT09 is just a missile spammer, no fire on the go, a subsonic missile and 8kph reverse.
PTZ89 is literally Obj 120 with half the reload speed. Oh yeah, +1.0 BR>
And I’d take all over BMD4. AFT09 ‘just a missile spammer’ - yeah, one that you can take to top-tier and nuke Leo 2A7 in one missile, let alone you have 4. They’re all super strong vehicles. Also, PTL02 and AFT09 can take hits that the BMD4 never can, full on darts going straight through them with little or no damage. While the BMD4 can’t even use the ‘no armor is best armor’, it just dies. China 9.0 is stronk as can be. Granted PTZ89 doesn’t need to go up in BR, it’s the most balanced out of the three i listed. But this whole topic is a nothing burger because the BMD4 itself doesn’t need to go up in BR.
Edit: Actually you know what? Do what you want, just leave my babies in peace.
Their mobility is fine, and the ATGM nerf never really impacted AFT09. They’re still doing what they do best. Played China 9.0 for the ground event last night and it was a good time, to say the least. Only thing you miss out on playing China 9.0 over 9.3 is the PGZ04A, but you have WZ305/PGZ09, so it’s fine.
Low survivability, sure, but it gets lethality and mobility - one of the best at that BR range.
The mobility is its survivability, and being able to run away or get to the flank of enemy tanks extremely quickly makes it incredibly good.
BMP-3 does not have the great reverse speed that the regular BMD-4 gets, nor does it get the 5s reload ATGMs or the great acceleration that both the BMD-4s get.
It’s still a pretty good vehicle for 9.0, though.
I think both being 10.0 with APFSDS sounds more reasonable.
Keep in mind, though, that the ZBD04 is 10.0 and it gets APFSDS, 8x ATGMs (albeit the ATGMs are not as good as the BMD-4’s) with a 4s reload and much better armour for a light tank (at the cost of the much better moblity),
I think the ZBD04 should go to 10.3 too.
Bagel is also another interesting light tank.
It’s definitely not as good as the 2S38, but its firerate and great post-pen damage on the 57mm AP makes it quite good on the flanks, and can even tank a few shots due to how small the turret is when hull-down. Its ATGM is kinda lacking though, so you really have to rely on flanking in uptiers or complete downtiers.
I think it could go to 9.7.
Most of the other autocannon light tanks are relatively fine at their BR, with the VCC-80/60 going back down to 9.0 making more sense.
Fair points, but I never use BMP3 as a flanker in the first place, they have different playstyles, for sure. I’m of course biased, as the BMP3 is only there to support my 279.
I love the Bagel for its HE-VT, and it’s sad it didn’t get an ammo box to use for its limited ammo capacity.
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I just don’t think a lot of people realise what 150mm extra pen means, seems pretty non relevant but actually is, it is the difference between able to pen abrams lower glacis and leopard upper glacis.
I don’t really see that happening with the capability although don’t mind, every one brings that to 10.3 with the MBTs anyway.
If u are talking about MBTs sure, but for light tanks 7 km reverse is sub optimal, neither is their depression and vertical drive. Workable, not great. I don’t actually play 9.0 but 9.3 instead cause I love ZTZ96 with 125-1.
A reminder BMD4 is actually the best armoured out of the 3, both of the Chinese ones are cardboard, with 10/8mm armour on the side 20 on the front at best, slightly better with PTL02’s turret, but anything above a 14.5 will pen no problem.
I am not saying they are weak, but just not as strong as it may seem. I do support BMD4s to 9.7 though that said (went a bit off topic I’ll admit), plus I just saw the 1:17 nuke with BMD4 video so yeah.
Not talking about armor thickness, I’m talking about surviving hits. The fact that the BMD4 has more armor probably contributes to it not surviving as much. And when I say hits, i mean from APFSDS which most enemies will be firing at you, or will have loaded. AFT09 and PTL survive some funny situations. PTL often survives because there is so much space in the interior.
True, I am just more paranoid about BMDs, BMPs and anything in general that has a quick firing gun, like bagel, 2s38 (I am honestly scared of that), or even Puma.
BMP 3 doesn’t have tracking or fast agtm reload and it’s already under tiered imo.
In this meta 9.7 basically never faces 10.7, I’ve been running a LOT of Russia 9.7 and it’s basically top br 50% of matches, I don’t think I’ve seen 10.7 in the last couple months.
I’m assuming your 9.7 gets sucked up to 10.3 to face the premium spam, more often than not. Since USSR 9.7 hardly exists, and 9.7 is dead for most nations since the decompression. I guess 9.3 would influence matchmaker also, since that is very popular. Then again, prior to the decompression my 279 would see premium players in Turms and other 10.0 premiums every other game.
It’s about a 50% chance of 10.3 but that’s as high as I ever go, I’ve also been grinding 10.7 US and I have not got a single game top br since I started. Gaijin just keeps “decompressing” and that doesn’t do anything but fix the br where the compression started and messes up everything else.
Makes me wonder why you even bother. 10.3 is super strong (even with low-level premium teammates), and you have Strela there to make a no-fly-zone. I’d either do 9.3 or 10.3 if I didn’t have 279. You just a big fan of the T-64B? or is that just where you’re up to in the grind? (I’ve got the tree all grinded out, just play these BRs for fun).
german team at 9.3 yeah its not the tanks fault
Yeah I have the full tree also I just enjoy that lineup and you have a good chance at nice matchmaking. Plus it’s a more laid back playstyle. I also play Israel 9.7 they have a great lineup.
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Sabra and AYIT is very nice combo.
I’d say it’s fine at 9.0.