It can cruise at something like 720kph IAS on 30% thrust, that burns fuel at something like 1/10th of 100% thrust. that make you fuel last a long time.
If you manage to only fly for 2 minutes then you’re already dead, shaped like a pancake on the ground. You HAVE to lower throttle to not die, and lowering throttle lets you fly for well over 25 minutes.
When you have infinite energy, low ammo count is irrelevant because you can execute anybody with one or two taps, while parked behind them.
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Depeding on the fuel amount and alt, the plane can reach way over 700km/h with throttle settings that allow it to fly for the entire match, since the engine efficiency rises more the more you reduce the throttle. You reduce throttle 4 times, you get like 20 times better longevity (you have 25% thrust with 5 times smaller fuel consumption per unit of thrust).
Of course no real life rocket engine can do that. This is pure soviet magic.
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It was a very big mistake to add Bereznyak-Isaev in game at all. It should never fight against props, so it should be at least 8.0
IDK how balancing system based on statistics works, but I’m sure that guy with 5000+ battles on Bi with just 2500 kills that often dies in first headon compensate all clubbers that fly it
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I mean, if only Soviets f.e. lacked quality pre-Korean era jets. But nope, Su-9, Yak-15, Yak-17, Su-11 and others are all more than adequate. It’s not like Germany where, basically domestic design ended in 1944, so Me-163 made kind of sense (I would love to see it removed, though).
BI was impossiblento properly balance by definition. But initially it was just super frustrating. Now you know he’ll end you, unless he’s an absolute muppet.
And then BI drags people into AF AAA anyway, for the double wombo-combo of scumbaggery.
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I’m bad at math but even I can understand this is deeply unserious.
Please link his IGN I need to see his replays and laugh my ass off.
Just ground pound bro :^)
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Should have said “longevity”, efficiency is only 5 times better.
Anyway, yeah, it’s kinda unserious how Gaijin maths work.
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"Time, s","Rudder, %","Critical AoA, %","IAS, km/h","Altitude, m","TAS, km/h","Drag, kgf","Turn radius, m","Turn rate, deg/s","AoA, deg","Specific excess power, m/s","Thrust, kgf","Fuel consumption, kg/min","Throttle, %" 0.0,0,11,792,1795,865,152.2,0,2.6,1.8,-12.2,69,0.00,0 1.0,0,11,792,1795,865,152.2,0,2.6,1.8,-12.2,69,0.00,0 2.0,0,11,788,1789,860,450.4,0,2.7,1.8,-64.1,69,0.00,0 3.0,0,13,780,1782,851,523.1,0,3.4,2.0,-63.8,69,0.00,0 4.0,0,13,772,1781,842,508.2,0,3.5,2.0,-55.8,110,0.64,4 5.0,0,12,764,1787,834,461.9,0,3.3,1.9,-41.2,172,3.75,10 6.0,0,9,757,1799,827,422.5,0,2.4,1.5,-34.7,172,3.75,10 7.0,0,7,750,1814,819,416.1,0,1.0,1.1,-33.7,172,3.75,10 8.0,0,5,742,1831,812,390.3,0,0.0,0.8,-29.9,172,3.75,10 9.0,0,5,735,1849,805,381.0,0,0.0,0.8,-28.2,172,3.75,10 10.1,0,6,728,1867,797,376.5,0,0.8,0.9,-28.6,172,3.75,10 11.1,0,6,721,1885,790,386.9,0,1.2,0.9,-26.9,202,6.28,13 12.1,0,6,715,1904,784,392.5,0,1.4,0.9,-14.7,281,15.89,21 13.1,0,6,709,1924,780,357.1,0,1.5,0.9,-10.2,281,15.89,21 14.1,0,5,704,1945,774,355.7,0,1.5,0.8,-9.2,281,15.89,21 15.1,0,5,699,1968,769,344.5,0,1.4,0.8,-8.0,281,15.89,21 16.1,0,5,693,1991,764,340.2,0,1.8,0.8,-7.4,281,15.89,21 17.1,0,5,687,2016,759,340.3,0,1.5,0.8,-6.9,281,15.89,21 18.1,0,5,681,2042,753,334.2,0,1.9,0.8,-6.3,281,15.89,21 19.1,0,6,675,2070,748,364.5,0,2.2,0.9,-0.9,373,32.43,30 20.1,0,6,671,2101,743,327.9,0,2.3,0.9,6.2,373,32.43,30 21.1,0,5,665,2135,739,326.9,0,2.1,0.8,5.5,373,32.43,30 22.1,0,3,660,2171,734,312.6,0,0.6,0.4,7.6,373,32.43,30 23.1,0,1,654,2206,729,305.6,0,0.0,0.2,8.2,373,32.43,30 24.1,0,3,649,2241,725,303.0,0,0.6,0.4,8.0,373,32.43,30 25.1,0,2,645,2274,721,325.9,0,0.0,0.3,12.9,440,48.26,37 26.1,0,3,641,2306,719,314.5,0,0.4,0.4,21.3,489,61.72,41 27.1,0,3,639,2339,717,294.8,0,0.4,0.4,23.7,489,61.72,41 28.1,0,1,636,2372,715,292.9,0,0.0,0.2,23.9,489,61.72,41 29.1,0,1,634,2404,714,287.3,0,0.0,0.2,24.5,489,61.72,41 30.1,0,-1,633,2433,713,287.3,0,0.0,-0.1,24.6,489,61.72,41 31.2,0,-1,632,2459,713,286.8,0,0.0,-0.1,24.5,489,61.72,41 32.2,0,0,632,2483,714,314.6,0,0.0,0.0,31.5,568,87.17,49 33.2,0,0,633,2504,717,292.8,0,0.0,0.0,36.5,592,95.88,52 34.2,0,1,636,2524,720,286.7,0,0.0,0.1,37.8,592,95.88,52 35.2,0,0,638,2541,724,287.3,0,0.0,0.0,37.8,592,95.88,52 36.2,0,1,641,2556,728,290.8,0,0.0,0.2,37.0,592,95.88,52 37.2,0,4,645,2569,732,295.6,0,1.3,0.6,36.7,592,95.88,52 38.2,0,4,649,2582,737,324.6,0,1.2,0.6,46.7,684,132.23,61 39.2,0,4,654,2595,743,309.9,0,1.0,0.7,48.0,684,132.23,61 40.2,0,3,658,2609,749,315.5,0,0.0,0.5,47.7,684,132.23,61 41.2,0,3,663,2624,755,309.0,0,0.0,0.5,48.6,684,132.23,61 42.2,0,3,668,2636,761,316.8,0,0.0,0.4,48.0,684,132.23,61 43.2,0,3,673,2647,767,320.4,0,0.0,0.4,48.3,684,132.23,61 44.2,0,2,679,2654,774,316.0,0,0.0,0.3,49.2,684,132.23,61 45.2,0,2,686,2659,783,342.9,0,0.0,0.3,60.7,775,174.42,70 46.2,0,3,695,2659,792,334.5,0,0.0,0.4,61.0,775,174.42,70 47.2,0,3,704,2656,803,340.2,0,0.0,0.5,61.4,775,174.42,70 48.3,0,8,713,2649,813,359.7,0,1.6,1.3,57.6,775,174.42,70 49.3,0,9,722,2641,823,379.5,0,2.0,1.5,55.8,775,174.42,70 50.3,0,9,731,2633,833,402.9,0,1.8,1.5,52.8,775,174.42,70 51.3,0,8,739,2626,841,429.6,0,1.0,1.3,49.1,775,174.42,70 52.3,0,8,746,2620,849,466.2,0,0.3,1.2,44.5,775,174.42,70 53.3,0,8,753,2614,857,519.1,0,0.0,1.2,44.3,818,196.09,74 54.3,0,8,760,2607,865,556.8,0,0.0,1.2,50.1,885,232.66,80 55.3,0,7,767,2599,872,604.6,0,0.0,1.1,42.4,885,232.66,80 56.3,0,7,773,2591,879,651.6,0,0.0,1.1,35.6,885,232.66,80 57.3,0,6,779,2581,885,692.5,0,0.0,1.0,29.0,885,232.66,80 58.3,0,6,784,2568,890,745.0,0,0.0,0.9,21.1,885,232.66,80 59.3,0,6,789,2553,895,784.7,0,0.0,0.9,14.7,885,232.66,80 60.3,0,9,793,2535,899,818.9,0,1.4,1.5,10.4,885,232.66,80 61.3,0,9,797,2517,903,886.6,0,1.1,1.4,14.9,976,287.64,89 62.3,0,8,802,2500,908,920.8,0,0.4,1.3,16.3,1019,315.32,94 63.3,0,8,806,2482,911,937.8,0,0.0,1.2,7.0,989,295.42,91 64.3,0,8,810,2464,914,976.1,0,0.0,1.2,1.6,989,295.42,91 65.3,0,7,812,2444,916,1008.7,0,0.0,1.1,-3.9,989,295.42,91 66.3,0,7,815,2423,919,1032.7,0,0.0,1.1,-7.9,989,295.42,91 67.3,0,6,819,2400,921,1075.2,0,0.0,1.0,0.0,1074,352.76,99 68.3,0,6,823,2375,925,1096.5,0,0.0,1.0,-3.2,1084,360.00,100 69.4,0,7,826,2347,928,1126.0,0,0.0,1.1,-8.3,1084,360.00,100 70.4,0,6,830,2317,930,1160.0,0,0.0,1.0,-13.9,1084,360.00,100 71.4,0,6,833,2286,932,1156.7,0,0.0,1.0,-19.3,1023,318.13,94 72.4,0,7,831,2251,928,1072.2,0,0.0,1.1,-72.3,645,116.16,57 73.4,0,8,823,2215,918,976.5,0,0.0,1.2,-117.0,279,15.58,21 74.4,0,9,811,2181,903,875.2,0,1.9,1.5,-149.6,0,0.04,0 75.4,0,9,811,2181,903,232.1,0,1.9,1.5,-34.8,0,0.04,0
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what in the goddamn fuck, that last graph is hysterical.
6k matches 3k kills, BI will be at 6.3 soon thanks to him :3
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So basically at 6% of max fuel consumption (assuming max is 360kg/m) you get 30% of max thrust?
Yup, makes perfect sense!
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It’s not surprising, I know in the 163 I managed to glide back some absurd distance just by throttling to 5% once in a while.
IMO BI, 163 and ki-200 should just stay at a BR they suffer. Simply because you simply cannot balance them, they turn extremely well, they have nearly infinite energy, ultra low stall speed, AND they are small and hard to hit.
Rocket absurd efficiency while completely unrealistic allows people that want to take them in 8.0+ to use them so it may as well stay.
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unfortunately that makes sense so instead the me163 will go down to 5.3 next patch, also fuck you :^)
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he-100 is still 1.7 so there is precedent lol
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The BI is one of the aircraft in game that never should have really been added at all.
If you’re buns with ammo conservation, fuel conservation, speed management, and positioning; you’re feeding someone else’s kill counter and bringing statistics down.
If you’re at least some what adequate with any of the previous topics, you’re hell on Earth to the enemy team, and only overwhelming enemy superior or luck can kill you. In my honest opinion, it’s a very gimmicky aircraft.
If you (the BI) are going against aircraft that know what they’re doing, you can’t really do much. It compresses at 720kph and it’s an easy target when compressed, go figure.
But against players that don’t know what they’re doing? Of course the BI will win. It’s the ultimate skill check.
If you brought it to 7.0, it wouldn’t do very well because even players in jets that don’t really know what they’re doing and their idea of evading is to run away defeats the BI (again, compression speed and top speed). It would be relegated to the unenviable playstyle of 3rd partying in most instances. If you brought it down to 6.3, first off why, and second off it would do too well because of the constant downtiers to 5.3 (poor bastards).
Against jets, it’s a rat plane for 3rd partiers because elsewise the BI can’t catch up to any of the jets it’d face (even the coughing baby He-162 is faster than it). It really never should have been added, and that’s coming from someone who has it.
But because people have wasted time (or more likely, money), maybe as a way to balance it, they make it realistic in the same way that a realistic Me 163 would fly. It would have two options: 100% (on) or 0% (off) and any damage to fuel tanks will cause total loss of the aircraft/pilot due to the incredibly damaging nature of their fuel.
But again, it’s one of the aircraft that never should have been added because of the pendulum. It’s either too lethal in a downtier or too reliant in an uptier.
At 7.0 it’s still unkillable and can roflstomp people during climb phase. It would not be weak. It’s a team game, and BI denies the enemy team any chance of dogfighting or energy climbing. You either stay fast or you die.
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The whole game mode of Squadron Battles at this BR revolves around BI being OP.
Big money are circulating there so no one is going to disrupt a goose laying golden eggs.
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Yet another reason the warthunder esports scene is taken seriously by literally no one.
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