BF109 forgotten variants discussion

so where missing quite a few variants of the 109 that could be added to fill some gaps
here are some models majority of them

Bf 109A 22 1937 - 1938
Bf 109B 341 1937 - 1938
Bf 109C 58 1938 spring - 1938 late
Bf 109D 647 1938 - 1939
Bf 109E-1 1,183 1938 late - 1940
Bf 109E-3 1,276 1939 - 1940
Bf 109E-4 561 1939 - 1940
Bf 109E-5 19 1939 - 1940
Bf 109E-7 438 1940 August - 1941
Bf 109F-1 208 1940 July - 1941 January
Bf 109F-2 1,384 1940 October - 1941 August
Bf 109F-3 15 1940 October - 1941 January
Bf 109F-4 1,841 1941 May - 1942 May
Bf 109F-5 1 1940 October
Bf 109G-1 167 1942 February - June
Bf 109G-2 1,587 1942 May - 1943 February
Bf 109G-3 50 1943 January
Bf 109G-4 1,246 1942 September - 1943 May
Bf 109G-5 475 1943 February - 1944 June
Bf 109G-5/AS 16 converted 1944 April - 1944 June
Bf 109G-6 ~5000+ 1943 February-1943 August - October
Bf 109G-6 with Erla Hood ~2000+ 1943 August - Sept - 1944 March
Bf 109G-6 with Erla Hood,
larger tail, and MW-50 ~5,000+ 1944 January - 1944 Sept [nb 7]
Bf 109G-6/AS with MW-50 226 produced + 460 converted 1944 April - 1944 August [nb 8]
Bf 109G-8 906 1943 August-1945 February
Bf 109G-10 2,600+[nb 9] 1944 September - 1945 March [nb 10]
Bf 109G-10/AS 100[nb 11] 1944 September - 1944 November [nb 12]
Bf 109G-12 500 planned[nb 13]/converted 1943 December - 1944 July
Bf 109G-14 5,500+ 1944 July - 1945 February
Bf 109G-14/AS ~1,373+ 1944 July[79] - 1945 March
Bf 109K-4 1,700+ 1944 August - 1945 March [nb 14]
Bf 109K-6 1 prototype 1944 Autumn
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the ones that seem most intresting would be BF109E5 as we cant get a E7 due to it being a event almost a decade ago

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also the 109K6 seems a like interesting option since 109 line stops at 5.7

heres a photo of the T1 with a naval parts attached

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If im not mistaken there are also K8/10/ prototypes as well.

Oh yea K14 was also suggested on old forum years ago but it never saw the light.

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190 engine on 109 is tuff

I’d love some more 109’s. I’d even like early versions of the ones we currently have with the more common boost settings (but lower BR).

We’re missing a ton of Spitfires etc too and the bomber Mosquito variants.

I appreciate your efforts, but imho production numbers were never an issue for gaijin. The main point is how the models after the E variants get back to a competitive level without forcing gaijin to admit that their current BRs in Air RB made them underdogs.

Even as i am not a fan of 109s i was always fascinated when i read about so called Höhengruppen eqipped with G-6/AS versions covering Sturmgruppen with 190s - whilst trying to perform mass attacks in a so called Gefechtsverband.

The 109s were stripped of additional / not deemed essential equipment (in order to lose weight) and provided top cover for 190s attacking bombers & fought P-51s at very high alt. They were painted in light blue - looking like that:

Bf 109G-6/AS 1/48 - Eduard Store
FlyingIron Simulations Bf 109 Preview - FSElite
There are lots of sources which describe the 2 different engine versions - it boils down that one of them had with C3 fuel and MW 50 1.700 - 1800 hp…power loss started above 8 km.

Im mean if you look at the 4.7 La-7 with 1.920 hp engine it seems obvious that a Bf 109 G-6/AS with 1.700-1.800 hp should have the same BR. Together with the weight reduction the plane should be able to catch the 4.7 P-38…

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Were there more A variants then the A-1? Would be nice to get a TT Bf-109A

found something called BF109H1 some high althitude model never photographed but it did fly any documents anyone has would be amazing

side note found the manuals for many 109s

also found another buff for E4
E-4/BN (DB 601N engine). 496 E-4 of all versions were
built, 250 E-4, 20 E-4/N, 211 E-4/B and 15 E-4/BN.[5

heres a supossed blueprint and i found a post on it from old forums but cant access it
BF109 H - Germany - War Thunder - Official Forum
Messerschmitt Bf 109

yea between the C1 109 and E1 in between the 109 Fs and after them

Alleged picture of it:

this is a need for german tree

I don’t think that’s the 190 engine version.

That seems to be the BF109 V21 which I don’t think anyone has suggested in the new forum.
It was fitted with the Pratt Whitney Twin Wasp. We know this Aircraft was tested in 1939.
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In 1940, the Germans decided to go ahead and make the BF109X which had the BMW801 from the Fw190. The BF109X was made from a BF109F whilst the BF109 V21 is built from the ground up, hence V21 (Prototype 21) instead of from an existing airframe.

There seems to be only 1 picture of that aircraft and it’s only of the front nose with nothing else visible.
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A further stretch would be the ‘109’ engined with the Junkers Jumo 213, used on the D-series 190s and Ta 152s. Though, this aircraft is designated Me 209 rather than 109.

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It shares the annular radiator with the 190s and 152s.

Another ‘109’ I don’t see on the forum, but that’s probably because it’s Passed to Developers back in 2019 or so. This one didn’t seem to feature weapons which could be an issue.

Bf-109C-3

From Oct 1937, following successful tests with Bf109 V12 (W.Nr 1016, D-IVRU), surviving C-1s were modified to C’3 standard with wing nounted 20mm MG-FF.


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A notable boost in firepower, but lacking the Emils improved performance. An either/or vs the E-1 that has only 4x Mg but a better engine.

Bf-109E-5

A reconnaissance version of the E-3 built in small numbers and planned to replace Hs126 in front line units. A downwards pointing camera was fitted behind the cockpit and armament was reduced to just 2 cowling Mgs.

Camera being installed in recon 109
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Closed up you cant essily distinguish its special nature.
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The camera proved troublesome and units modified them back to fighters with wing guns reinstalled. Without seeing the belly or reading the data plate it would appear to be a standard early E.
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You get Emil performance with Bertha firepower. I would stick with just the production standard as the de-camered and upgunned aircraft would simply be to clise to ecisting tree variants.