BF-109s/FW-190s feel over tiered and could go down

Germany didn’t have super props as the jumo222 and db604 were failures, spurring the development of jet engines

how can you go into a battle and not be able to confidentiality get a single kill, like we have enough bots

How do you go into battle and confidently die to a Bearcat of all planes?

We have performance based BR and not historical. That would be like having the ta152 c3 at 4.7 without an air spawn, that some of these super props get.

it has, great climb, turn and energy retention, you’re a bad player who can’t make it of it though, SAD!

I was just explaining

Well then, continue to struggle against a mediocre plane. Just know that you’re alone, and even noobs such as myself aren’t facing issues against em.

Can you two, like, get a room?

Maybe go and record some duelios and post them to youtube and share.

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Small mistake:
We have PLAYERS performance based BR*

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I can out do it 100% of the times in 190 D9.

Cause they are on the wings and do less damage. it’s 2+2 as well 2 13mm + 2 20mm. Not necessarily better, but more accurate for sure.

not more accurate that’s frankly insane they have like 300 less m/s velocity, and the d9 will lose a dogfight to the d28 while still being unable to out climb it

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How? I get the “actually hitting your targets” part, but .50 cals are the literal worst weapons past like ~2.7. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were talking about 20mm cannons (in terms of the hits to kill), but there is no way a .50 cal is taking less than a dozen hits outside of a pilot snipe or engine hit (which happens for cannons too).

I recommend to analyze the battle summaries in the inbox of the UI of war thunder.

Most people assume that hits, crits and severe damage would be separate things, they aren’t. So single hit can create a fire, which might result in a crit and often in a severe damage.

So whilst having flown the IT P-47 D-30, the UK P-47 and the US P-47 D-28 for combined ~ 900 matches the 2 hits for a fighter kill are a long term observation. AP-IT rules 😎

As evidence for my claim: My last match (replay link) in the D-28 granted me a kill with 2 hits on a 109 - whilst adding a severe damage. The P-63 i hit earlier with 2 hits created a fire with a delayed crit followed by a delayed severe damage (BnZ attacks btw).

Whilst flying the 3.3 Hellcat it looks like the “hit to kill” threshold is around 3-4 for a fighter thanks to early war belts with just a fraction of AP-IT in the belt.

Same as with the A-20 G which i use as heavy fighter (my goal is to ace the plane like the 4 others mentioned before) - but with having just ~ 200 matches combined with the Hellcat this estimation is not really reliable.

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Except I do that (on occasion, not every time) and the game already tells you when you get a pilot snipe. I’d say at minimum 40% of my kills in the P-47 are pilot snipes, and it really shouldn’t be that high if .50 cals did good damage.

I don’t question your observations - i just presented mine.

So it just depends on individual perceptions.

About a year ago i saw a thread in which a Do 217 pilot complained that he got pilot sniped by a P-47 sitting more than 1 km dead behind him - the bullet penetrated the back of the plane and flew through the whole aircraft until the pilot was hit…

That’s still a niche scenario, though, and not unique to .50 cals. Plus having to hit pilot snipes (a much smaller target than literally any part of the airframe) is a lot harder.

dude American 12.7s are lasers what

Better than the D-9?

I don’t see how the K4 is 5.7 BR. Its got the same gun every other 109 uses since 4.0 BR. For GRB its just one bomb and the flight model is not really convincing. This single 20mm cannon was good as long as mineshells were better than the rest, but now its clearly lacking.

There are enemy planes at the same BR with far more 20mm guns, using superior shells and better FM as well. Planes which also carry alot more ground ordnance for GRB purposes.

For the 109 family is just almost zero progression. One 20mm (MGs generally do nothing) and one bomb.

It has 30mm actually, but TBF not that big of a difference. Vs like 4 20mm it’s still worse.

For that, actually same fire power since 2.7, and the change to MG151 actually needed a 1.3 BR rise is crazy.