Which 7? Because I’m counting 29 fully domestically made aircraft in our techtree.
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I said unique.
Yeah those are 29 unique aircraft. I didn’t include licence produced stuff, only unique Fokker, Koolhoven, Renard, LACAB and Stampe & Vertongen aircraft.
I recommend actually looking at the tree in detail before jumping to conclusions that the lower ranks are all copy paste.
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Airplane A
Airplane A but with two seats
Airplane A but with two more MGs
Wow, such unique I want to buy them now with GE!
You do realize that all ingame techtrees are all built up like that too right? How many Spitfires does Britain have, how many Bf-109’s and Fw-190’s does Germany have, how many A6M’s does Japan have. So saying a lot of the aircraft in this techtree are all the same with not big enough changes does not make much sense to me. It’s what all ingame techtrees have, so why can’t the BeNeLux tree have it?
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Applies to literally every mass-produced fighter i can think of and then some. Your point being?
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I’m curious, what existing trees would be most fitting to you here?
All listed nations have unique vehicles across whole tech tree.
Wat?
Well that is a lie. Almost every nation has a Sherman, Germany has Russian jets, the bulk of Israel’s ground force exists of M60’s and Centurions, and naval wise there are a ton of lend-lease or similar ships spread through many of the nations.
To use an BeNeLux example, following your logic all the Renard single seat fighters are the same, just with minor changes that is not enough for it to be unique.
And yet you now say that all the Bf-109’s and Fw-190’s are unique. Every single one of them?
You got to be more consisted with what you deem to be unique, because right now I’m not following your logic here.
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I’m actually interested in what these 7 planes are? Even going by that logic I see alot more than 7.
Israel is a terrible tree with no entirely unique aircraft. China is horrendous at low tier and if I’m not mistaken, there is only one aircraft in the tree which is an entirely indigenous Chinese design (JH-7), all other aircraft are, or are at least based on a foreign design (some of these are serious mods or not in other trees). China does have potential for unique aircraft and it’s a huge shame they don’t get them.
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I miss the times when everyone hated Chinese tech tree because it was full of copy paste stuff. Now its used as argument to add even more copy paste tech trees. Sad times…
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It’s quite telling that you aren’t answering any posed questions.
Hating for the sake of hating.
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Hmmm. I am a little bit of a fence fitter here. Excluding Belgian and Dutch vehicles from the tree just because they could go to another nation is silly frankly, but I do respect the opinion that beyond tier 3 the tree becomes very copy paste and I personally wouldnt touch anything past the S.14 because I find it boring. It’s still a better suggestion than independent Ukraine or Norway (and Isreal…).
Personally, if it wasn’t a full tree I’d enjoy seeing the main vehicles become a sub-tree of France. That way it could be condensed into the main vehicles, without so much copy paste. This would add an F-16 to that tree, and eventually the F-35, which France doesn’t have a potential counter for. I know ALOT of people will get pissed off at that opinion, but eh, crucify me.
I am also heavily biased as I started playing War Thunder when it was a WW2 game, because it was a WW2 game and I still think of it as a WW2 game. From a WW2 view point this tree would be great, but from the new Cold War point of view it’s not worth much.
Considering the enormous volume of planes that still need to be added to the French tree, I don’t think it’s fair to the French to just put foreign equipment in their tree. Doing so will lessen their options.
And in all honesty, France doesn’t need an F-16, the Mirages (2000 and 4000) are absolutely amazing planes in the game right now. The F-35 and the Dassault Rafale are at least some years away (let’s hope), and the french have plenty decent missile-systems for their aircraft that could be added.
And regarding Copy-Paste: Most planes that can be considered as such will likely not be introduced in an US or British tree for example, as Gaijin has said they’d like to limit variants of a model to at most a couple in a tree, as most trees are already saturated with their equipment. Rank IV in the tree is the weakest in originality, as most industrial infrastructure was bombed or dismantled by the Germans or USA during the war. Starting at Rank V you can see more modifications of planes that are not in game yet (but could be, without the Dutch/Belgian performance improvements, such as guns, radars and ballistic computers). Most of planes are not like the F-5E in the Chinese and American tree.
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That’s fair, but you also have to remember that it’s also made to support the ground tree which has much less copy paste
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There is so much potential with this tech tree, +1!
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Small update for the tree:
Two new planes have been added. These are:
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Fokker C.10 (Hispano) [Techtree, attacker line]
A C.10 fitted with a Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs engine and a 20mm Hs.404 autocannon.
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Gloster Meteor F.8 ‘I-128’ [Premium]
A Meteor trialed with a 5cm Oerlikon unguided rocket pod on the belly of the aircraft.
Small BR change, the Belgian Gloster Meteor NF.11 moved up from 7.3 to 7.7. The 7.3 was a mistake that I overlooked when I added it.
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Does someone know the estimated turn time of the schelde s21
Mainly depends on wing loading but i’m not expecting less than ~19.5 s