there is no ww2 thermals on the game, but yeah i guess
The technological content of 2S38 is much higher than that of HSTV，The strength of HSTV ammunition is determined by its 75mm caliber，But the continuous shooting firepower and ammunition of 2S38 exceed it by too much, which cannot be solved by caliber, and the weight is also so high。
The maneuverability of HSTV is indeed better, but its speed cannot gain an absolute advantage in most cases because its firepower is already weak and it may not be able to achieve a one hit kill. In other words, maneuverability is not easy to play, after all, you cannot always run fast and hit accurately. If that’s the case, there won’t be such a big debate. Compared to 2S38, it is much simpler. You only need to be behind the main force or behind cover to threaten the air and ground, and it can also provide reconnaissance scores, low risk and high return. Compared to HSTV with high risk and high return, it also faces more difficult opponents and smaller failure rates. This is easy to distinguish. Moreover, the fact that 2S38 has sold so much is enough to demonstrate its strength.
But the most important thing is the attitude of the creator. Compared to the 2S38 in 10.3, the Otto with only 26 rounds of ammunition and 12 tungsten needles has a weight of 11.7 or more. With the strength of other Russian anti-aircraft vehicles, the necessity for discussion is too low
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No, it isn’t. KDRs are similar across all accounts that play both HSTVL and 2S38, on top of that a cross-analysis shows that mobility + round is in HSTVL’s favor, which is a BR increase of ~1.0 for nearly all tanks.
@Angelsmile
None of which matter in War Thunder. War Thunder doesn’t simulate fire control systems, so the electronics upgrades of 2010s equipment does not matter in War Thunder.
The gun of HSTVL is objectively superior.
Your post claims 2S38’s firepower is unusable by claiming superior guns are weak, after claiming it’s good previously, which is a contradiction.
Popularity has nothing to do with strength of a vehicle, otherwise Strv 122 would’ve been the most used vehicle from 2020 to present.
OTMATIC is over-BR’d and should have its APFSDS removed to be put to its anti-air BR.
It is pure Russian propaganda to insinuate that 2S38 is anywhere close to HSTVL in capabilities to the highly expensive HSTVL whose only drawback is the thermal generation.
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No, not really.
Only the mobility, small silhouette, and good gun depression is carrying its weight, if at all.
he didnt say that
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wow,KDR, Your idea is too simplistic. The record is influenced by the player’s strength and mood, and cannot be used as a criterion for judgment. Does a player under 11.7 pressure have to have the same KD as a 2S38 player who just played this game to prove that the weight is reasonable? This is obviously one-sided
Also, what I’m saying is that the 2S38 has stronger firepower output and reconnaissance capabilities, and has lower weight. With only 26 rounds of ammunition, the HSTV cannot be compared to it. You misunderstood,
Your post is a poor conjecture without evidence？？？？That’s not how it’s used
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If you think that the HSTV’s lower body and 75mm main gun make it easier to penetrate opponents, have less ammunition, and move faster than the 2S38, which is equivalent to killing more people, then it is obvious that you have never played with this car before, and you cannot understand the dilemma of having to shoot three rounds to penetrate the side of the BVM. In contrast, the 2S38 is much more comfortable. It can penetrate your Cannon bolt and neck from the front and has a faster firing rate, you know
Thanks for conceding that 2S38 is far inferior to HSTVL by acknowledging my cross analysis.
HSTVL has identical recon capabilities with a quieter engine.
26 rounds is all you need for tanks.
“Damage output” means nothing as tanks aren’t aircraft, they don’t work on burst mass.
Prove he didn’t say HSTVL’s cannon is weak. I’ll wait. It’s quoted.
Saying HSTVL’s cannon is weak is the most obvious implication that 2S38’s cannon is unusable as it’s inferior to HSTVL’s.
what? are you joking or are you serious
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Do I read like I’m joking?
Incase you can’t tell; I am genuinely, unapologetically, unquestionably serious.
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it’s a vehicle with subpar acceleration , zero armor , with the only good thing going for it being the gun
So you want Begleitpanzer to 10.7/11.0, and HSTVL to 12.7 if you’re pro-balance.
However, there’s a possibility you want German, Swedish, and American bias.
If only that was actually the case - I wouldn’t have an issue with it if it was.
that is the case?
No, no it isn’t.
I could see 9.7 but even at 9.3 it’s a 99% guarantee it will be in 10.3 battles.
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it’s not really much better than HSTV-L, why should i be a higher BR than it?
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lol no it’s not. It hasn’t even reached low rate production. It’s still in testing 🤣
It is absolutely better than the HSTVL. Better ammo. More ammo. Better IRST tracking for air targets. Unmanned turret.
Hell, you obviously don’t know that the HSTVL is already at 11.7, meaning that I want to put the 2S38 at the same BR as it, at minimum.
Your bias machine can go to 11.7 and it will still perform just fine.
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