In what way?
Not op, yet has many vehicles that are way too low in BR. A lot of autoloaded, fast survivable shit and planes with effectively infinite range in CAS.
Not OP, eh, it doesn’t win the games for them, you can see by the winrates, it’s always Italy’s fault, nerf OTOMATIC.
The moment you get 12 kills on toptier Italy, nerf OTOMATIC.
which ones are you talking about
they dont have a lot of autoloaders that actually reload fast.
like what
ussr cas is only really OP like this at top tier
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Forwards yeah, backwards or in any other direction it loses to abrams and leopard, and with CR engine buffs I believe they also have extremely good acceleration now too.
Okay the 2S6 isn’t OP at all, as far as it goes it’s one of the easiest SPAA to dodge mate, and that’s me saying from the side of being against it.
Strela is a bigger threat to CAS or CAP than a damn 2S6.
Germany are better than russia in almost every BR bracket? XD what even?
Britain beat’s them in a few, 10.7 is one of the best in the game.
USA has fantastic lineups throughout, especially the 10.7 to 12.0 area, which most of the tanks bar say the M1 itself are under BR’d.
It can die to 50 cals, has a huge ammo rack, has 0 surviveability. granted it has 3bm60 and decent thermals but thats it.
I don’t main any nation bud, I’ve played long enough to get past it.
Says the guy with 30 thousand respawns to barely 20K kills ?
You’ve barely any experience with any tree that isn’t italy, and specifically the 2a7HU
hell you’ve not got russia, germany, or even the USA past rank 3!!!
How are they survivable?
they get penned and pop xD they are well armoured, huge difference.
Which grants them a whopping 7.1 seconds reload for every tank until 12.0 through the TT ? That sucks dude.
Just look what you’re talking about lol.
2S6 is dogshit, 2S25M is a fine vehicle but nothing that M1128 can’t compete with.
Su-25BM gets cleared by many AAs of it’s tier and even lower.
They don’t seem to be worse than any other major nation mains.
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I find it quite funny at 10.7 but with the issue of GBUs / Guided bombs just not working right, the KAB500s always fall short, leaving it with essentially rockets, and the 2 KH29s
big 3 syndrom i suppose
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It’s better than every other nation’s SPAA until you get to 11.7+ and its at 10.7 for no good reason, I’d say that qualifies as overpowered.
Not really. Strela is good, 2S6 is still better.
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You think so? I’m working down the SPAA line rn and I’ve yet to see it in a good light.
Fighting against it? I’d say it’s a lot easier to dodge it’s missiles than that of the strela or the ozelot etc.
the rolands at the same BR aren’t that much different IMO, it has the advantage of guns though.
There is a small list of SPAA that exist between 10.7 and 11.7 that aren’t at 11.7 itself, and the 2S6 is far closer in capability to the ones already at 11.7 than the ones its closer to currently at 10.0-10.3.
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Yeah I get what you mean , Guess I’ll see for myself soon as well; Im not a big SPAA user TBH always one for spawning a plane to get back at them.
2S6 is correctly BR’d. ADATS is over-BR’d.
2S25M doesn’t matter cause it’ll at most be 10.3 according to Stryker MGS’s BR, which is the lineup it goes in anyway.
T-80B is average. Bit lower mobility, average speed for the BR, some armor [about as much as 2A4], and an average round. I’d love to say the round is above average, but M60 AMBT, 120S, Sabra, and ZTZ-96A exist at the minimum.
Italian vehicles have nothing to do with “Soviet mains”.
Ariete is 12.3 because it’s mobile, fires DM53, and reloads fast.
If you think Soviets are so good, play it. Beat the tech tree and prove all of us multi-nation players wrong.
So far no one has.
On top of all this, this discussion has nothing to do with Begleitpanzer, which is fine where it is unless decompression occurs.
Uh huh…
Let’s list them.
10km SPAA in War Thunder:
OSA x4: 10.3.
ADATS x2: 11.7
2S6 is mathematically closer to 10.3 than 11.7.
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L26 as well on CR1 MK3
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Vickers Mk.7 too
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2S25M: its mobile, fires BM60 and reloads fast.
For the Ariete it’s enough to get a higher BR for the 2S25M not.
Just another double standard for russian vehicles.
@halkad1
Thanks for proving there are consistent standards.
False equivalence fallacy: One is a light tank that is far larger, quite literally has no armor, no gun depression, no gun movement, worse reload, firing a worse round.
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With only 1 round of the 57mm sabot can pen any tank if you know how to aim.
The begleit 57mm ap its very week and only useful for flanking. Plus the thermals are bad are like early thermals. And finally the atgm its not that good and you only get 1 shot and then reload (and pray your target doesnt have era cause the atgm is not tandem), while the 2s38 can spam sabot rounds and kill a mbt frontaly.
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The Begleit has 0 armor, no crewless turret, no IRST, no thermals to speak of, APBC shell that’s not great at penning anything frontally. It’s 9.7 for a good reason. It’s fine where it is.
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Yeah its fine where it is.
Also i wouldnt say 0 armour, surely the front engine helps a little, sure not a lot, but at least better than a… idk a btr or a bmp
Also the Begleit was moved to 9.7 since this thread was made and the 2S38 is 10.3 (it was never moved to 10.7), so they pretty much meet and fight each other in down/uptiers. It’s actually crazy that the only thing separating them is just 0.6 BR…
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Too bad that you compare the Ariete to the 2S25M while you have to compare them to their equals.
In the light tank category the powerfull 3BM60 alone justifies BR10.7. It´s ridicoulus that the TAM2C is 0.3BR higher that the 2S25M while having a much weaker shell.
By the way the battle rating of the 2S25M was not increased while recieving the 3BM60 nor in a decompression where the TAM2C was moved 0.3Br higher.
But the 2S38 is the bigger stain on the carpet.
-wrong class → SPAAG
-wrong battle rating → BR 11.3
-wrong load mechanism - the 2S38 is single belt fed not double belt fed. Look at the model. Both bug reports about the wrong load mechanism and the model were shoved off. Logically at least one must be acknowledged.
-No overheating since over an year. The function is implemented, the marker is there, but Gajin deactivated overheating for the 2S38 for whatever reasons.